"Delta" flight 6499, SEVEN HOURS on the tarmac

[tinpusher101]

Hey Comair boss get your facts striaght ..you dip

they did not "taxi-tarmac" for 7 hours in JFK

1. it gate return after 1:52min #1 eng would not start

2. crew change with a legal crew ( to accom DL paxs -- which is more service that you provide) that have been inconvinced by our minor mechanical

3. JFK-DFW 2nd time out block of 4.30.


so yes it was close to 6 1/2 hours they sat on that a/c going from JFK-DFW .
just as all DL flights have taken long taxi out of JFK Shuttle is no different.

but hey... you saw it on youtube so it must be real

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Hey Comair boss get your facts striaght ..you dip

they did not "taxi-tarmac" for 7 hours in JFK

1. it gate return after 1:52min #1 eng would not start

2. crew change with a legal crew ( to accom DL paxs -- which is more service that you provide) that have been inconvinced by our minor mechanical

HA HA HA...that sounds strange.

 

[Frap]

I would have LOST it. LOST IT! LOST IT! LOST IT!.>>>>>>>>Kill kill kill.

Someone should be fired...you can start with the dispatched that allowed this to continue and the PIC's that didn't get these people off of this airplane.

Legitimately laughed out loud at ..."kill kill kill"

Sounds like Hetfield at the end of "All Within My Hands"

By the way, minor hijack. St. Anger PUNISHES...

 

[CoATP]

So as I compute the crew (one or the other) sat for about 3 1/2 hours with no pay, no food, and no access to liquor. Bet they then gave them reduced rest

How about an aircrew bill of rights?

 

[DX Rick]

I know none of the facts on this story, although I did see the video.
But my conclusion is that it's JFK's fault. That damn airport should be torn down. I absolutely hate that place. More airplanes shcheduled to be there, than there are parking spots. Brilliant idea, Delta!

 

[RJAA]

Give me a break. They would all come back and fly delta again as long as it's the cheapest option like nothing happened including the turd that filmed it. What do they know about operating in/out of NY with problems that were obviously compounded with thunderstorms all over the place and this country's outdated and understaffed air traffic control system. yawn.

 

[~~~^~~~]

E170's between DFW & JFK?

There isn't much "Delta" left in Delta any more.

Wonder what Delta thinks of most of its bad press resulting from contractors' failures to operate their flights and in some cases, use common sense?

I'm not making a statement, just curious how Delta manages its brand when 50% of its brand is not under its operational control.

 

[michael707767]

There isn't much "Delta" left in Delta any more.

I'm not making a statement, just curious how Delta manages its brand when 50% of its brand is not under its operational control.

First of all, you are right. There isn't much left to Delta anymore.

However outsourcing is a fact of life now, not just at the airlines. You may as well ask Boeing how they can control the quality of the 787 when almost all of the manufacturing is outsourced.

However, I do agree with your main point and I think Delta has gone too far and has lost control of a large portion of its domestic structure.

 

[RJAA]

E170's between DFW & JFK?

There isn't much "Delta" left in Delta any more.

Wonder what Delta thinks of most of its bad press resulting from contractors' failures to operate their flights and in some cases, use common sense?

I'm not making a statement, just curious how Delta manages its brand when 50% of its brand is not under its operational control.

JFK-DFW used to be on ASA's CRJ700 so I would consider the E170 action an upgrade and how generous. It was fun back in the days. Especially about the part Delta thought it was a good idea to run it with a CRJ700 with tons of heavy international bags, taxi delays, reroutes and fighting winds going westbound and then in the end get hosed by thunderstorms in DFW when it doesn't even leave a room for DAL alternate, all in one day. Fun stuff.

 

[shamrock]

Not to change the subject, but what is with all those DORKS posting video from Flight Sim on YouTube??

If you ever get really bored it's pretty fun to mess with all the armchair quarterbacks over there. They think the know everything about a plane because they've flown it on the computer.

 

[XJTAv8r]

Its 7 mins long, but sure funny to watch a 7 hour taxi time. yes 7 hours
Delta 6499 operated by Shuttle America, June 25, 2007.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=R06dAgpmmbg

Here's a video on a similar issue that was broadcast recently on CNN:
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2007/06/28/intv.passenger.confronts.pilot.cnn

 

[SBD]

JFK-DFW used to be on ASA's CRJ700 so I would consider the E170 action an upgrade and how generous. It was fun back in the days. Especially about the part Delta thought it was a good idea to run it with a CRJ700 with tons of heavy international bags, taxi delays, reroutes and fighting winds going westbound and then in the end get hosed by thunderstorms in DFW when it doesn't even leave a room for DAL alternate, all in one day. Fun stuff.

Originally it was a 727 operating that route.

 

[Prop2Jet]

It will only get better from here on out! Right Air Wisc, Mesa, Colgan, Pdt!!!!

AHHH SIMPLY THE BEST!

 

[G2T]

It will only get better from here on out! Right Air Wisc, Mesa, Colgan, Pdt!!!!

AHHH SIMPLY THE BEST!

Am I the only one who doesn't understand the connection between these airlines and this thread? If so, will someone please enlighten me?

 

[Magic1872]

Here's the thing...its not the airlines fault (I agree they should do more for the pax) but until the controllers at JFK get their heads out of their own asses nothing will improve. USUALLY AT MOST AIRPORTS THAT HAVE PARALLEL RUNWAYS THEY USE BOTH RUNWAYS FOR DEPARTURES AND ARRIVALS. NOT JFK. HEY GUYS GET A CLUE ON HOW TO UTILIZE YOUR RUNWAYS MORE EFFICIENTLY. THEN THINGS MIGHT IMPROVE!!!!!!!

I feel better now

 

[MJG]

That would work if JFK was the only large airport in the NY area. However with LGA and EWR, plus HPN and TEB right there as well, doesn't matter how many parallel runways you might have, it won't help the situation. Too many aircraft and not enough airspace to put them in. Plus people tend to forget that 90% of the traffic taking off from one of the 5 major airports in the NY area are headed in a direction that's on the western side of the compass. That doesn't help the situation either.

 

[Prop2Jet]

It is a colgan thing! Sorry.

 

[norskman2]

Hey Comair boss get your facts striaght ..you dip

they did not "taxi-tarmac" for 7 hours in JFK

1. it gate return after 1:52min #1 eng would not start

2. crew change with a legal crew ( to accom DL paxs -- which is more service that you provide) that have been inconvinced by our minor mechanical

3. JFK-DFW 2nd time out block of 4.30.


so yes it was close to 6 1/2 hours they sat on that a/c going from JFK-DFW .
just as all DL flights have taken long taxi out of JFK Shuttle is no different.

but hey... you saw it on youtube so it must be real

What are you talking about????? They spent six-plus hours ON THE GROUND AT JFK PRIOR -- THAT'S PRIOR -- TO TAKEOFF!!!!

The total block time was ten hours!

 

[regionalcap]

Hey Comair boss get your facts striaght ..you dip

they did not "taxi-tarmac" for 7 hours in JFK

1. it gate return after 1:52min #1 eng would not start

2. crew change with a legal crew ( to accom DL paxs -- which is more service that you provide) that have been inconvinced by our minor mechanical

3. JFK-DFW 2nd time out block of 4.30.


so yes it was close to 6 1/2 hours they sat on that a/c going from JFK-DFW .
just as all DL flights have taken long taxi out of JFK Shuttle is no different.

but hey... you saw it on youtube so it must be real

From what I see, they left at 4:30 pm and arrived at 1:50 am.

 

[CFI2766]

The bottom line here is that for the given objective of the flight, JFK to DFW, there were not enough resources available to satisfactorily complete the mission.

If it were that critical that the passengers get from point A to point B in the time frame that they wanted, they all should have, individually, booked a charter flight, or, bought their own airplane and learned how to fly it.

Instead, they booked the flight that had the cheapest fare for the time that they wanted to travel, in that preferential order. No one, from CNN to FOX news to the FAA, (the airline management or even ALPA for that matter), wants to admit this, but airline passengers bear the vast majority of the responsibility for this situation based off of their purchase decisions when they choose air travel.

To 'fix' this situation to the level of utopia envisioned by the talking heads, re-regulation needs to be explored.

(This will not, however, create a more efficient air travel system, simply a more predictable air travel system.)