PRIA question

[Skaz]

I was working at company X, interviewed with company Y, got offer a class, resigned from X then got a termination letter (dated 3 days after my resignation letter)....question is, should I say I got fired or no?

Will this show up in PRIA file?

Thanks

 

[Way2Broke]

Was company x part 91 or 121/135?

 

[Skaz]

It was P121

 

[Way2Broke]

I may be mistaken, but I think the only question that they can ask is if you are eligible for rehire. In this case I am guessing they will answer no. I would hold onto your dated letter of resignation, and the dated dismissal letter. The good news is hopefully you are at a better job that you plan on staying at for a while. The bad news is that if your not you will have to explain this at future interviews. I would take the letters with you to those interviews. Heck I might even get mine certified.

 

[Skaz]

would it help if I try to get my personnel file from X...that will be the same info they supply to any PRIA requests, correct?

 

[Way2Broke]

Actually the PRIA checks main purpose is to check for failed training, and drug tests. Most of the time HR has a file, and training has a file. The records PRIA is after is the training records mostly. I would certainly try to get a copy of everything as it will make your case stronger down the road. I always get my resignation letters certified and I usually send them certified mail. I like have a paper trail, for this very reason. Most states are "at will" states meaning that a employer can get rid of you if you smell funny. This provides little protection for the employee. I take it your last job was non-union, because if it was union you could still contact a rep?

 

[Skaz]

I just went through my records, I have a collection of documents that was sent to company Y after they requested the PRIA (I requested copies), the termination letter isnt included in that, but it was included in the document packet company X sent me, since it happened after the PRIA request.

I interviewed with another company after this and they offered me class date, does this mean the termination letter did not show up...or was I gonna get booted out of class when they eventually received it?

I guess that if another company does a PRIA request the termination letter will show up as well then.

Funny thing is though, my performance reviews are all missing...I even asked for them, but never got them. Am I entitled to them per law? Because if so, it will totally blow the 'cause' for termination out of the water.

Learnt my lesson, paper trail from now on with certified documents.

ALPA was the union, but dont know what they can do now, the little spurt of correspondence then didnt amount to anything.

 

[jmreii]

Pria

You have some companies out there that will always be an "a-hole" no matter what you do to clear the situation or try to get clarification on something to solve a problem. Your saving grace will be the PRIA being limited to 5 years, after that you need not send that company anymore PRIA'S to be completed. I worked for a dirt bag operation 8 years ago, I am glad they are gone.

 

[AV80R]

I was working at company X, interviewed with company Y, got offer a class, resigned from X then got a termination letter (dated 3 days after my resignation letter)....question is, should I say I got fired or no?

Will this show up in PRIA file?

Thanks

I used to do a little recruiting at a small regional and wanted to let you know not to sweat it - You received a termination letter because you resigned. Many airlines use that term for pretty much all situations where a pilot ends his/her employment - whether voluntarily or not. Your PRIA form will probably mention the dates you were employed at your previous carrier, not as much how you resigned/were terminated. However, airlines can tell by the "eligible for rehire" question on how the resignation was handled. Still no big deal if you have a copy of your resignation letter showing that you resigned several days prior to your "termination" and that it was voluntarily. Most HR departments know that many airlines will answer NO to the question "Is this person eligible for rehire?" any time the pilot resigns. I would reply truthfully - resignation and not termination, followed by all the documentation once your interview comes up.

Good luck!

Ps. It’s always a good idea o conduct a thorough background check o yourself just so you know what is in your file.

 

[AV80R]

You have some companies out there that will always be an "a-hole" no matter what you do to clear the situation or try to get clarification on something to solve a problem. Your saving grace will be the PRIA being limited to 5 years, after that you need not send that company anymore PRIA'S to be completed. I worked for a dirt bag operation 8 years ago, I am glad they are gone.

Actually - airlines are only required to verify your employment background information for the last 5 years even though you fill out a 10-year previous employment form. I have never seen a background information request specifying a 5 year time frame - it is the airlines' discretion, not yours, to “leave out” anything older than 5 years. It is up to their discretion to request information going further back than 5 years. If you have something in your file, it won't be automatically "deleted" after 5 years - the information will simply not be sent out, unless...
I was told by John Ryan (FAA PRIA rep.) that it is very unusual for any airline to request additional information from the FAA - they're usually satisfied with the report the FAA sends them.
Always know what’s in your file – it’s equivalent to knowing your FICA score when you’re applying for a mortgage loan!

If you're unsure, contact John A. Ryan at the OKC FSDO, he's in charge of the program and is very helpful.

 

[AV80R]

I interviewed with another company after this and they offered me class date, does this mean the termination letter did not show up...or was I gonna get booted out of class when they eventually received it?

Your employment was "terminated" by your resignation letter - you're worrying too much.

Trust me - more than half the time this was the term we saw being used when we ran our pilots' background checks.

If you're uncertain - contact John Ryan at the FAA [email protected]

 

[jmreii]

Actually - airlines are only required to verify your employment background information for the last 5 years even though you fill out a 10-year previous employment form. I have never seen a background information request specifying a 5 year time frame - it is the airlines' discretion, not yours, to “leave out” anything older than 5 years. It is up to their discretion to request information going further back than 5 years. If you have something in your file, it won't be automatically "deleted" after 5 years - the information will simply not be sent out, unless...
I was told by John Ryan (FAA PRIA rep.) that it is very unusual for any airline to request additional information from the FAA - they're usually satisfied with the report the FAA sends them.
Always know what’s in your file – it’s equivalent to knowing your FICA score when you’re applying for a mortgage loan!

If you're unsure, contact John A. Ryan at the OKC FSDO, he's in charge of the program and is very helpful.

I am specifically referring to training record information that maybe passed on to another carrier, not information on your dates of employment. It clearly has a 5 year limit on that information and that carrier shall not release that information. An example would be working for a carrier 7 years ago, and there is information in that record that you are not too proud of.

 

[AV80R]

I am specifically referring to training record information that maybe passed on to another carrier, not information on your dates of employment. It clearly has a 5 year limit on that information and that carrier shall not release that information. An example would be working for a carrier 7 years ago, and there is information in that record that you are not too proud of.

Well, even if you are "not too proud" of your previous record surely you wouldn't withold any information from your past, right? Because if you do, you can actually be terminated no matter how long you’ve been with the particular airline. You're correct that airlines normally don’t check someone’s training records > 5 years old, UNLESS they’re suspicious about your previous training. For example, if you perform extremely poorly in training, they might research your previous training farther back than 5 years - it's their prerogative even though it's very rare. After all, the whole reason for having PRIA records is a case where a pilot failed numerous training events at one airline and went to a different airline which wasn’t even aware of the guy’s past. Was it RDU crash? Can't remember now…

 

[jmreii]

Thanks, for your information, as a general rule I do not send PRIA'S out to companies I worked at over 5 years ago, unless they are specifically asked for. However I do list the previous employers on the general application and have never had a problem doing it that way.

 

[taysha]

1. PRIA is 5 years.

2. Employment verification is 10 years.

3. If you ever submit a letter of resignation, it is best to get a letter
from your company saying they have accepted your resignation. If a future company ever merged w/one of your previous companies who you were fired from, they could refuse to employ you. A letter showing proof of resignation would then come in hand.

Best Advise as previous stated-create a paper trail-send it certified mail (in addition to in person)

 

[FCNelson]

I dug up this old thread, as was discussing this exact issue with a friend tonight.

Here's his dilemma:

-Individual in question recently began training with a ragtag operator outside of North America (non-US company) but is in the Western world.

-The contract he had specified his employment began ONCE his checkride was complete.

-Friend was dissatisfied with the operation and left after a month. Was about 3/4 of the way done his training (groundschool complete) but checkride was a couple weeks away.

-He never received any $ for being at the place aside from some small expense reimbursement

-Friend's new job is a springboard. He has the flight time/quals and with some luck he'll get a shot at a job with the majors when the doors open up in a year or so.

Friend is from California and will be living fulltime in the US again. Do you put this ragtag foreign place on your resume, with the knowledge that they are a non-US place, don't know the quirks of PRIA, and it is 100% they will say bad things about him if a background check is done as they were counting on him completing training and starting flying. Friend did NOT do the notarized resignation letter, and his links there are in his words "napalmed" as guys running the place are vindictive. Or do you just not put it on your resume and work history. Remember, friend was never paid, and the contract/work terms clearly says employment starts when training is complete. Are you considered still "unemployed" when you have such a stipulation and are not getting paid while in training?

Thanks for all insights.

FCN