Neeleman and Soros dumping JB shares? Why?

[General Lee]

Its just the the Delta fixation with JetBlue. GL has been fixated on B6 for a long time. He used to brag about Song serving all three NYC airports.

I can't find a link to the new Consumer Reports airline survey. What was it, B6 #1 and delta 10 or so. No big deal I realize, but scoreboard is scoreboard.

Was that all before the Valentine debacle? I think it was. If we polled the thousands of people stranded by JB for an extra few days (while getting the crews back together), I would think they would have something harsher to say.

As far as my fixation with JB, it has waned, but rumors of a possible buyout are interesting to say the least. And, they can have all 3 NYC airports. Their EWR ops have been a money loser and the delays at JFK, EWR, and LGA can't help their overall operations. Sure, we have a large NYC ops too, but not as much as a percentage of total flights.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Bavarian Chef]

Was that all before the Valentine debacle? I think it was. If we polled the thousands of people stranded by JB for an extra few days (while getting the crews back together), I would think they would have something harsher to say.

As far as my fixation with JB, it has waned, but rumors of a possible buyout are interesting to say the least. And, they can have all 3 NYC airports. Their EWR ops have been a money loser and the delays at JFK, EWR, and LGA can't help their overall operations. Sure, we have a large NYC ops too, but not as much as a percentage of total flights.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Go visit the link again. They resurveyed (a word?) people and came up with the same results.

Yawn. Sigh. All those awards are part of the scam. JB sucks. Delta rocks. Nothing is wrong with Delta. Delta doesn't make mistakes. People love being stuck in Atlanta. Thunderstorms never delay Delta. Comair doesn't hurt Delta. Delta flight attendants look good in red. Red isn't an angry color.

Whatever. Balanced you are not. At least jb guys like me are willing to see the good and the bad with their company. If I was to believe you and this insane, irrational sense of bizarre, dorky competitiveness you have with your job (airline), then I'd be just as retarded as you. Again, stop offending those that truly are retarded by pretending to be retarded.

 

[Bavarian Chef]

Chef,

Wow, do I know you? Very close my friend, very close. Yes, I am a line holding 190CA. If it were not for the fence, I would be able to hold A320 CA on the next few bids-junior guy in the last upgrade class was about 10 senior to me. But.....I am moving to New Hampshire next week and bidding back to BOS in NOV if the trips get any better and I can hold a line still. I was holding a line there since the base opened but I started to slip so I bid to JFK for the easier commute..I was commuting from S.Florida

Now that I am living in New England, I dont care about the commute and will hold off for 320 ca in bos. I dont care if I have to sit on reserve in my base if I live there. I just dont want to commute to JFK to sit on reserve on the 320. With the fence coming down, I dont think I would be able to hold 320 ca for at least another 18 months as most of the 190 guys and senior 320 fo's will be bidding over, besides I have another year on my eqp lock.

I do care very much about the pilots junior to me and how this all affects them. While I have about 1000 junior to me now, I have many friends that are here and they will be affected greatly by another slowdown. In the long run though, if a slowdown gets the company back on the right track, and stops some of the excess bleeding and makes us some money...and overall means that we have jobs 20 years down the line, then so be it. I just dont want to see us grow at the pace we have been, get big and fat on debt and crews, then go out of buisness...

lh.

You are in the 800s and you still think it will be 18 months from now? Wow. What shot do you think I have to upgrade to 190 CA? Low 1200s, my fence comes down in December. I keep hearing top 50 190 CAs are gonna run to the left seat of the airbus, and that even a few 190 CAs may bid 320 FO. Any thoughts?

Not that this has anything to do with Delta btw. Sorry.

 

[Longhorn]

Close, I may have been off on my est. I am in the lower 900's but yea, I think when the fence comes down it will be 12-18 months before I can upgrade on the bus...for a few reasons. Guys are only going to upgrade as fast as there are openings. Lets say that they upgrade 10 a month for 11 months out of the year. There are around 80 190 ca's in front of me in jfk and 18 in bos. There are also about 100 fo's on the 320 between all bases ahead of me. Lets say 1/4 of them dont upgrade for one reason or another, that still around 148 guys senior to me to upgrade. at 10 upgrades a month (if there are even that many with potential slowdowns) thats still 14 months before it gets to me. If the slowdown happens again, then I think most guys will not wait anymore so that they dont avoid getting stuck as fo's any longer. I would say that is a fair guess...I would add or subtract 3 months from the guess but unless we take more 320's then predicted...that should stay fairly close.

 

[Bavarian Chef]

Close, I may have been off on my est. I am in the lower 900's but yea, I think when the fence comes down it will be 12-18 months before I can upgrade on the bus...for a few reasons. Guys are only going to upgrade as fast as there are openings. Lets say that they upgrade 10 a month for 11 months out of the year. There are around 80 190 ca's in front of me in jfk and 18 in bos. There are also about 100 fo's on the 320 between all bases ahead of me. Lets say 1/4 of them dont upgrade for one reason or another, that still around 148 guys senior to me to upgrade. at 10 upgrades a month (if there are even that many with potential slowdowns) thats still 14 months before it gets to me. If the slowdown happens again, then I think most guys will not wait anymore so that they dont avoid getting stuck as fo's any longer. I would say that is a fair guess...I would add or subtract 3 months from the guess but unless we take more 320's then predicted...that should stay fairly close.

Thanks. You know, when I say this kind of stuff, clickclick and 8vAtor call me a liar. Funny.

110 captains a year on the bus is way too optimistic imho. What's life like as a 190 CA?

 

[Longhorn]

Check your pm's

 

[General Lee]

Go visit the link again. They resurveyed (a word?) people and came up with the same results.

Yawn. Sigh. All those awards are part of the scam. JB sucks. Delta rocks. Nothing is wrong with Delta. Delta doesn't make mistakes. People love being stuck in Atlanta. Thunderstorms never delay Delta. Comair doesn't hurt Delta. Delta flight attendants look good in red. Red isn't an angry color.

Whatever. Balanced you are not. At least jb guys like me are willing to see the good and the bad with their company. If I was to believe you and this insane, irrational sense of bizarre, dorky competitiveness you have with your job (airline), then I'd be just as retarded as you. Again, stop offending those that truly are retarded by pretending to be retarded.

Did you read the ever powerful USAToday today? USAir had 63% of it's flights on time, being the worst airline in that category, followed by JB and then Comair. I am sure our Dash 8s in NYC are really delaying you guys.

And, have you ever been to ATL? It really is a well tuned machine. Sure, if T-storms are in the area, things slow down (like any airport with T-Storms). But, we are in a drout here in ATL, and that means smooth sailing so far this year. I can't water my lawn very often, but I am ontime. Do you have a lawn in Ozone Park or Yonkers? I can hit a golf ball (9 iron) on my property. Really nice.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[samballs]

:laugh: Oh man I hope its b. Every penny wasted on that pinko puke is valuable cash that can't be spent on a slightly more viable yet similar candidate.

As much as I hate the tool, when he leaves CLE he has a smoking hot red headed assistant with him. Thats as close to a woman as he'll ever get

 

[canyonblue]

I can hit a golf ball (9 iron) on my property. Really nice.


Bye Bye--General Lee

So can most people who live at a driving range. Nice trailer. :laugh:

 

[CitationLover]

I can hit a golf ball (9 iron) on my property. Really nice.

it's nice to know general sherman once marched through your property.

 

[General Lee]

So can most people who live at a driving range. Nice trailer. :laugh:

Within their own backyard? Riiight. I also drive my own General Lee type car, and I have a cousin named Kooter. Do you commute from LBB? If you do, please move out of that trailer yourself, it is a hazzard during tornado season.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Bavarian Chef]

Do you have a lawn in Ozone Park or Yonkers? I can hit a golf ball (9 iron) on my property. Really nice.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Huh?

Yes, I've been to Atlanta. Lived in the Deep South for 16 years. Now I live in the Genteel South, the Old Dominion.

I have 6 acres in the Blue Ridge, 5000 sqft haus in territory nestled among B & Bs, antebellum homes, trout streams, wineries, battlefields and the ever glorious Skyline Drive. No traffic, no pollution, about 5 days above 90F a year, beautiful fall foliage, skiing 30 minutes away and all the outdoor sports you can imagine.

Now your point again is? Should you assume that anyone lives in base? And what does this new form of competition have to do with ... I dunno, anything?

Can we compare cars next? Or kids? Wives? Mine's an optometrist that went to Ivy League undergrad. Yours?

How about how many chairs you have at your dining room table? Now THAT's the mark of an important man, jacka$$. Or maybe how many gallons of ice cream you have in the fridge? I have four fridges, btw.

 

[Bavarian Chef]

Did you read the ever powerful USAToday today? USAir had 63% of it's flights on time, being the worst airline in that category, followed by JB and then Comair. I am sure our Dash 8s in NYC are really delaying you guys.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Okay, GL, then using your logic we will not win any more awards this year. Wanna bet?

Who cares about these awards anyway? Revenue is where it's at.

 

[Noserider76]

Huh?

I have 6 acres in the Blue Ridge, 5000 sqft haus in territory nestled among B & Bs, antebellum homes, trout streams, wineries, battlefields and the ever glorious Skyline Drive. No traffic, no pollution, about 5 days above 90F a year, beautiful fall foliage, skiing 30 minutes away and all the outdoor sports you can imagine.

Dude, that sounds like an awesome place. Though I live in CA now there no place more beautiful than your neck of the woods.

 

[Longhorn]

Ahh..contrair. I am in the middle of moving to New Hampshire. Staying with a friend while I look for a new home. Laconia and the lakes region look absoulutly awsome. I grew up outside of lake tahoe and it reminded me very much of home. I know, I know....the snow. Well, after a few years in MN in the early 2000's, I am checked out on cold weather.

Anyone ever live up near Laconia and the lakes? If so, how did you like it?

 

[General Lee]

Okay, GL, then using your logic we will not win any more awards this year. Wanna bet?

Who cares about these awards anyway? Revenue is where it's at.

Hey, you did just win the number one spot on Dave Letterman's top ten list tonight----the Top Ten Reasons the guy with Drug Resistant Tuburculousis had for travelling: "Hey, it is better than flying Jetblue. Am I right?"


No joke, that was number one. Great Publicity for you guys....


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Huh?

Yes, I've been to Atlanta. Lived in the Deep South for 16 years. Now I live in the Genteel South, the Old Dominion.

I have 6 acres in the Blue Ridge, 5000 sqft haus in territory nestled among B & Bs, antebellum homes, trout streams, wineries, battlefields and the ever glorious Skyline Drive. No traffic, no pollution, about 5 days above 90F a year, beautiful fall foliage, skiing 30 minutes away and all the outdoor sports you can imagine.

Now your point again is? Should you assume that anyone lives in base? And what does this new form of competition have to do with ... I dunno, anything?

Can we compare cars next? Or kids? Wives? Mine's an optometrist that went to Ivy League undergrad. Yours?

How about how many chairs you have at your dining room table? Now THAT's the mark of an important man, jacka$$. Or maybe how many gallons of ice cream you have in the fridge? I have four fridges, btw.

Sounds a lot like my house just north of Atlanta. Lots of space, without Lime Disease. My wife is an Ad Exec that makes twice what I make. I don't have any chairs, just cushions and a small laptop we use at home. We also have a stripper pole, a swing, and a trampoline in our Master Bedroom. It's all good.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[328dude]

I have a cousin named Kooter.

So sad that's that only Kooter you get at your old age.

 

[General Lee]

So sad that's that only Kooter you get at your old age.

Man alive, that was creative. You should do that for a living. You probably have a cousin named Harry Dawng.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Bavarian Chef]

Ahh..contrair. I am in the middle of moving to New Hampshire. Staying with a friend while I look for a new home. Laconia and the lakes region look absoulutly awsome. I grew up outside of lake tahoe and it reminded me very much of home. I know, I know....the snow. Well, after a few years in MN in the early 2000's, I am checked out on cold weather.

Anyone ever live up near Laconia and the lakes? If so, how did you like it?

How many lakes can there be in NH?

Thanks for the PM, I will shoot you one back when I get a chance. Still off thread topic: What do you think about being able bid for the next 3 months in about a month's time? I though that was interesting. Also, would you rather be a junior commuting 190 CA or a senior (inside of 200 out of 600) 320 FO?

 

[Longhorn]

I think the 3 month out bid is great. It will better help the company staff the airline properly. Instead of throwing rocks at how many ca's they think they will need, they can accurately know how many they need. While 2 month before was plenty of time to upgrade someone, 3 months will give a little breathing room and allow them to properly staff further into the future.

As for the second part, that's tough. It depends on what the priority is. Since there is not a monstrous pay difference between the two, I would go with what gives you the most time with 1.family, 2.easy commute and 3.money, in that order. For me, I am not married and have no kids, so the Money was the primary reason. I liked being a first officer as well, but like I said, now I get to fly with my favorite a$$hole captain every trip. I also wanted to do something new before I got stuck on the 320 for potentially the rest of my career. The 190 has been a good experience for me, but that's not the same for some friends of mine. I figure I have had the luck of the Irish on the plane....in my personal life (marriage, mugging and jail...those who know me understand) the luck was not quite the same...but all better now!!

 

[Bavarian Chef]

Not sure what you mean about the money. If I can avoid 190 reserve, it's quite a bit of a difference (3rd YR as a reference). 17K at 80 hours (which is about what I fly). Now an 85 hour 320 FO makes roughly the same as a 190 CA on reserve though. Ouch.

I too think the system bid thing will be good for everyone. It will certainly give us pilots something to consider as the summer rolls around and the fence begins to loom.

 

[Longhorn]

Yea, I was talking about a reserve ca on the 190 vs. a senior bus fo

 

[FADEC]

Not sure what you mean about the money. If I can avoid 190 reserve, it's quite a bit of a difference (3rd YR as a reference). 17K at 80 hours (which is about what I fly). Now an 85 hour 320 FO makes roughly the same as a 190 CA on reserve though. Ouch.

I too think the system bid thing will be good for everyone. It will certainly give us pilots something to consider as the summer rolls around and the fence begins to loom.

Bavarian Chef, I am currently a 320 FO and my seniority is in the mid 1000 range. I will be bidding 190 CA as soon as I can. I think that I could get an early class when upgrade training resumes and I have learnt never turn down a career advancement.I also would like to get my new seat lock clock ticking as quickly as I can.

 

[roadrunnerblue]

Well, I just found the video of General Lee dancing.....Nice moves general!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JikHNG5llnM GL Dancing.

just having a little fun

Was that a genuine retard or an illegal alien?

 

[zkmayo]

Hey, you did just win the number one spot on Dave Letterman's top ten list tonight----the Top Ten Reasons the guy with Drug Resistant Tuburculousis had for travelling: "Hey, it is better than flying Jetblue. Am I right?"


No joke, that was number one. Great Publicity for you guys....


Bye Bye--General Lee

You just cant let it go, can you? If your trying to win the antagonistic-to jetblue-while-cheerleading-delta of the year award, guess what, you win! No one cares about putting down JB and cheering Delta as much as you. Congrats.

 

[Bob_Sacamano]

And, have you ever been to ATL? It really is a well tuned machine.

I have hundreds of times at a previous airline. And the saying is true. The road to Hell does indeed go right through ATL...



Do you have a lawn in Ozone Park or Yonkers? I can hit a golf ball (9 iron) on my property. Really nice.


Bye Bye--General Lee

I know I'm impressed. That just means land is cheap in Georgia.

 

[General Lee]

I know I'm impressed. That just means land is cheap in Georgia.

So, do you own a foot of land in Yonkers or Ozone Park? I am impressed with that no doubt. Say hello to Jenny on the block.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

You just cant let it go, can you? If your trying to win the antagonistic-to jetblue-while-cheerleading-delta of the year award, guess what, you win! No one cares about putting down JB and cheering Delta as much as you. Congrats.

I won? YEEEESSSSSS! I have been practicing sooooo hard. And, I am justing giving you guys a hard time, relax a bit. I don't mean to be "bustin your bal#@" in "Yonkers Street Speak." Chill out.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Longhorn]

General Lee,

Congrats on your hard effort to win this coveted award. On behalf of the academy, the guild, and the membership of FI, I would like to present to you the award for most antagonistic-to jetblue-while-cheerleading-delta of the year. I know that you only have your family, friends, co-workers, neighbors, and fellow pilots to thanks....but most importantly, god and jesus himself, because without him, this award would not be possible.

TROPHY