DCI 900 rates

[Sinca3]

What are the rates for 900's at all DCI carriers? Mesa, Pinnacle, Comair, Skywest and anyone else flying them for Delta.
I am pretty sure the ASA negotiators offered to include up to 76 seats in the 70 seat rates. That might sound weak but I think our 70 seat rates are better than the 4 carriers I already mentioned, so getting to keep our current or better rates and including an extra 6 seats for that price is good.
Just to appease JM and JP how about throwing in the Delta and Compass rates!

 

[V-1]

Payrates for the 900 are the same as for the 700 at Comair, until 2011 when those flying the 900 will get an additional 2% C.O.L.A. not currently available for those flying the 700. I believe the 900's and 700's will be operated by common crews, with seat overrides for 900 operation in 2011.

CL-900/CL-705 EMB-170/EMB-175 CA
YOS 3/2/2007 3/2/2008 3/2/2009 3/2/2010 1/1/2011
1 $58.05 $58.92 $59.80 $60.70 $61.91
2 $59.85 $60.75 $61.66 $62.58 $63.83
3 $61.68 $62.60 $63.54 $64.50 $65.79
4 $63.61 $64.57 $65.54 $66.52 $67.85
5 $65.57 $66.56 $67.55 $68.57 $69.94
6 $67.59 $68.61 $69.64 $70.68 $72.09
7 $69.69 $70.73 $71.79 $72.87 $74.33
8 $71.86 $72.93 $74.03 $75.14 $76.64
9 $74.73 $75.85 $76.99 $78.15 $79.71
10 $77.75 $78.92 $80.10 $81.30 $82.93
11 $80.15 $81.35 $82.57 $83.81 $85.49
12 $82.63 $83.87 $85.12 $86.40 $88.13
13 $85.19 $86.47 $87.76 $89.08 $90.86
14 $87.82 $89.13 $90.47 $91.83 $93.67
15 $90.54 $91.89 $93.27 $94.67 $96.56
16 $93.25 $94.65 $96.07 $97.51 $99.46
17 $96.05 $97.49 $98.95 $100.44 $102.45
18 $98.98 $100.46 $101.97 $103.50 $105.57​

CL-900/CL-705 EMB-170/EMB-175 FO
YOS 3/2/2007 3/2/2008 3/2/2009 3/2/2010 1/1/2011
1 $22.00 $22.33 $22.66 $23.00 $23.00
2 $35.70 $36.24 $36.78 $37.34 $38.09
3 $36.79 $37.34 $37.90 $38.47 $39.24
4 $37.95 $38.52 $39.10 $39.68 $40.47
5 $39.12 $39.70 $40.30 $40.90 $41.72
6 $40.32 $40.93 $41.54 $42.17 $43.01
7 $41.57 $42.19 $42.83 $43.47 $44.34
8 $42.86 $43.51 $44.16 $44.82 $45.72​

Keep in mind the Y.O.S. only matters for those who were hired after 2005, those who had already reached the 18 year mark prior to the longevity freeze, and new-hires. Everyone else is a year behind on the pay table until the final year of lost longevity is restored in 2011.

 

[ASAFOE120]

What are the rates for 900's at all DCI carriers? Mesa, Pinnacle, Comair, Skywest and anyone else flying them for Delta.
I am pretty sure the ASA negotiators offered to include up to 76 seats in the 70 seat rates. That might sound weak but I think our 70 seat rates are better than the 4 carriers I already mentioned, so getting to keep our current or better rates and including an extra 6 seats for that price is good.
Just to appease JM and JP how about throwing in the Delta and Compass rates!

I thought I saw a list of all those on one of the emails ALPA sent out a while back. I think its somewhere on the MEC ALPA page too. Also, arent the rates for all those carriers on the airlinepilotcentral.com site?

 

[Weasil]

Mesa (900)

Year 1 - 61
Year 20 - 102

Skywest (700/900) (200)

Year 1 - 60 57
Year 18 - 99 94

Comair (900) (700) (200)

Year 1 58.05 59 56
Year 18 98.98 99 93

ASA (700) (200)

Year 1 - 59 55
Year 18 - 99 82

 

[Weasil]

so Mesa actually has the highest pay for 900s (hrly rate wise anyway)

 

[OCP]

Don't know where those rates came from but the ASA is wrong. Its $103 year 18 on the 700.

 

[Sinca3]

Mesa's rate is at year 20 not 18 like everyone else.....
SOooooo for example they are $6 an hour less than ASA's 70 seat rate (yr18)!!!

 

[Secret Squirrel]

xjt 50 seat Captain rates 07/09

year 1-61.68 year 1-65.28
year 18-97.09 year 18-102.76

Glad to see other companies are trying to raise the bar to make this a better profession. Your DC9 replacement airplanes for turboprop pay.

 

[Weasil]

Don't know where those rates came from but the ASA is wrong. Its $103 year 18 on the 700.

Yeah thanks, I must have made a typo. D'oh.

 

[samballs]

xjt 50 seat Captain rates 07/09

year 1-61.68 year 1-65.28
year 18-97.09 year 18-102.76

Glad to see other companies are trying to raise the bar to make this a better profession. Your DC9 replacement airplanes for turboprop pay.

Funny you say that, because we had a lot better rates on the 70 before pilot groups like yours took lower contracts and forced us to get ours shredded in BK. But let me take a guess you now have a industry leading contract as I hear you guys always say. you don't lead the pack and you got to be in the top 5 or so because people like air wisconsin and Comair lost theirs. now the people that you caught up to can't get anything better since they have had those contracts for years and you guys RP, MESA, Pinnacle haven't even passed 10 yr old contracts. Go F off..

 

[samballs]

These are the rates at Oh before Bk and were signed to in 2001 you guys should have went above these not below.

50 seater

Year 2
FO = 33.53 in 2001 and 38.85 in 2005
Cpt = 56.09 in 2001 and 64.98 in 2005

Year 8 Fo = 40.25 in 2001 and 46.64 in 2005
Year 18 CPT = 85.83 in 2001 and 105.55 in 2005

70 Seater

Year 2
FO = 37.02 in 2001 and 42.89 in 2005
CPT = 61.70 in 2001 and 71.48 in 2005

Year 8 FO = 44.44 in 2001 and 51.49 in 2005
Year 18 Cpt = 101.98 in 2001 and 118.22 in 2005

Per Diem = 1.75

But thank you for raising the bar..

 

[fried chickens]

These are the rates at Oh before Bk and were signed to in 2001 you guys should have went above these not below.

50 seater

Year 2
FO = 33.53 in 2001 and 38.85 in 2005
Cpt = 56.09 in 2001 and 64.98 in 2005

Year 8 Fo = 40.25 in 2001 and 46.64 in 2005
Year 18 CPT = 85.83 in 2001 and 105.55 in 2005

70 Seater

Year 2
FO = 37.02 in 2001 and 42.89 in 2005
CPT = 61.70 in 2001 and 71.48 in 2005

Year 8 FO = 44.44 in 2001 and 51.49 in 2005
Year 18 Cpt = 101.98 in 2001 and 118.22 in 2005

Per Diem = 1.75

But thank you for raising the bar..

Wasn't the 2001 pay better than 2005?

 

[wmuflyguy]

Wasn't the 2001 pay better than 2005?

There were pay increases each year from 2001 to 2005, in Mar of 2005 is when the pay freeze started.

 

[dooork]

Mesa's rate is at year 20 not 18 like everyone else.....
SOooooo for example they are $6 an hour less than ASA's 70 seat rate (yr18)!!!

That is only until March of 2008 when the rates will hit the max date after the contract was signed.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

Funny you say that, because we had a lot better rates on the 70 before pilot groups like yours took lower contracts and forced us to get ours shredded in BK. But let me take a guess you now have a industry leading contract as I hear you guys always say. you don't lead the pack and you got to be in the top 5 or so because people like air wisconsin and Comair lost theirs. now the people that you caught up to can't get anything better since they have had those contracts for years and you guys RP, MESA, Pinnacle haven't even passed 10 yr old contracts. Go F off..

We have taken no pay cut to get the flying we have. Can you say the same? We continue to improve on our contract and from the looks of it matched or bettered yours in every way. Your pilot group made the choice to take a pay cut for promised flying. Go talk your crazy elsewhere because we do not fly the 70 seater. We just fly the 50 seater for better rates than you fly the 90.

 

[samballs]

We have taken no pay cut to get the flying we have. Can you say the same? We continue to improve on our contract and from the looks of it matched or bettered yours in every way. Your pilot group made the choice to take a pay cut for promised flying. Go talk your crazy elsewhere because we do not fly the 70 seater. We just fly the 50 seater for better rates than you fly the 90.

Wrong our 50 seat capts made more in 2005 then yours do now, while only 3.00 that should not be the case. and as far as the 90 rates they are what they are, we got those in BK again beacuse pilot groups like yours did not match our contract. Keep telling all of us your leading the industry and we'll keep telling you we hope your company survives just not you. How do you keep improving, besides the charter flying you did not get anything new in the LOA and after you guys sign the original version of the contract, you had to go back and in give up the time you start and finish getting paid so you can get a commuter cluase.

Whats worse, when you guys finally do get to start working on a new contract and just not extendidng it, your gonna get the same crap we did your rates are already above others we cannot give you anymore, and this is exactly what happened to us. Our rates got better while most of you guys took small increases to hepl your company low bid the companies with better paid pilots. You have no fight you just like too brag in most of your post that your contract is one of the tops, but again it got there becuase others took concessions. The concessionary contract we have now compares to yours our Captains make a few dollars less but they took care of the FO's, the Fo's at Comair make 5-7.00 more than yours. Don't give the crap argument we have quick upgrades becuase when their no longer fast what will you say about the low wages.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

I do not know what kind of crack you are smoking but it must be the good stuff. In 2004 we did exactly what your employee group was hoping other airlines would do. We met or exceeded you contract. The Comair MEC explained to our MEC how excited they were to have another contract to help with their negotiations. Not just pay rates but quality of life, retirement, vacation and scope. I applaud your group for getting the rates they did. It helped us get where we are I have no doubt. But you took it in the shorts by selling out your contract. Your rates and QOL are no where near ours now. I will take our rates side by side from airline pilot central which do not include longevity or yearly increases.

COMAIR FO
1-$22
3-35
8-41 Top of scale

Express jet FO
1-$23
3-36
8-43 Top of scale.

I do not know where you get your numbers but you are way off. You took the bait that your companies growth and success were tied to your pilot pay rates.

 

[samballs]

I do not know what kind of crack you are smoking but it must be the good stuff. In 2004 we did exactly what your employee group was hoping other airlines would do. We met or exceeded you contract. The Comair MEC explained to our MEC how excited they were to have another contract to help with their negotiations. Not just pay rates but quality of life, retirement, vacation and scope. I applaud your group for getting the rates they did. It helped us get where we are I have no doubt. But you took it in the shorts by selling out your contract. Your rates and QOL are no where near ours now. I will take our rates side by side from airline pilot central which do not include longevity or yearly increases.

COMAIR FO
1-$22
3-35
8-41 Top of scale

Express jet FO
1-$23
3-36
8-43 Top of scale.

I do not know where you get your numbers but you are way off. You took the bait that your companies growth and success were tied to your pilot pay rates.

Personaly voted NO unlike aot of people, but we didn't take anything. Yes the pilot group did fail themselves by taking a pay freeze, but thats all they failed, was themselves, the wages at the time of the freeze were still wages CHQ and Mesa would not see in their next contract. I voted no for the freeze but understand why some voted for the failed growth, they were sick and tired of MEsa, RP, Skywest getting every new plane, ASA can be mad but they have dug their own hole, they come on here and b!tch but that is it they don't put pressure on the union or company (don't feel bad for them). As far as the new contract, again those wages are at those rates becuase of BK so don't be proud of a dollar we took 12 -23% paycuts to make a whopping dollar less then you.

Now that your part of DCI you will see how quick your company's attitude will change, Your wages are on the high side with Delta, Mesa is 2 contracts if ever away from yours, and CHQ's contract will not chage much and were 4 yrs away from negotiations, your for the most part stuck there. If you think you can get better wages for the 70's go ahead but you will not get a plane from anyone you have to compete with MESA and the whores. So to finish yes were a dollar or so less (oh know) but were here thanks to good old BK.

 

[proptojet]

Samballs,

I'm no longer at XJET but one thing you have to remember is that we were negotiating in one of the worst times to gain a contract (post 9/11). While everyone was caving we did the best we could. Though the pay rates may not have been the highest the work rules especially the vacation are the best in the industry. I routinely could turn 7 days of vacation in to 28-30 days. The major I work for now can not even come close to that. I feel for you Comair guy's, you guys hung em out there and got a great contract. I also feel that we would of raised that if we were not competing with likes of Mesa and CHQ who really did nothing to better the "regional" segment of the industry.

 

[samballs]

Samballs,

I'm no longer at XJET but one thing you have to remember is that we were negotiating in one of the worst times to gain a contract (post 9/11). While everyone was caving we did the best we could. Though the pay rates may not have been the highest the work rules especially the vacation are the best in the industry. I routinely could turn 7 days of vacation in to 28-30 days. The major I work for now can not even come close to that. I feel for you Comair guy's, you guys hung em out there and got a great contract. I also feel that we would of raised that if we were not competing with likes of Mesa and CHQ who really did nothing to better the "regional" segment of the industry.

There well said, but this is not what he says, Secret comes on here bragging about being the best in everyone of his post, and says we all have screwed the industry with our rates when in fact XJT did the same thing we just did, adapted to the new enviorment of competing with the whores of CHQ and mesa etc. He forgets that while it is a good contract, its one of the better ones becuase of others concessions.