AAI contract

[EMBATP]

This negotiating committee had a tremendous opportunity going for them (merger+shareholders' meeting) and still were manipulated into emerging with a concessionary contract!

I think they need to all step down, and make way for some guys with the testicular fortitude and negotiation experience they are so clearly lacking.

AP- we appreciate your efforts, but ever since the Christmas debacle, you have been on the wrong path . . . .it's time to step down and save us the effort of a recall. That is the best thing you can do for your fellow pilots.

TW

ditto

 

[DougCorp-9]

I think "Do not even look at our crewmwmbers or they might rip your head off and sh!t down your neck" might be more appropriate.

 

[GunSlinger]

A big HE// NO here!

 

[SkiFishFly]

No

This TA seems very concessionary. We are better off voting no and living with our current contract. At least we will be delaying our paycuts...

I'm going on vacation and I'm gonna bring a logbook up to date and re-apply elsewhere while I'm gone...

 

[SkiFishFly]

What if

What do you think would happen if a bunch of us started hitting up Floy for a letter of recommendation? Think this would send a message?

 

[N tha jungle]

Reserve pay

So if you sit reserve for two days under the new turd (i mean ta) and don't fly, does that mean no pay? Let's say its the last week of the month and your already above 75 hours.

 

[fmr727drvr]

So if you sit reserve for two days under the new turd (i mean ta) and don't fly, does that mean no pay? Let's say its the last week of the month and your already above 75 hours.

Good Question jungle....I'd like to know the answer to that one as well.

Any takers?

 

[Lear70]

So if you sit reserve for two days under the new turd (i mean ta) and don't fly, does that mean no pay? Let's say its the last week of the month and your already above 75 hours.

That's exactly what it means.

If you are under 75 hours and sit the full last week of reserve without flying, you're going to get 75 hours of pay.

If you are at 80 hours credit for time flown for the month (random number), and sit the full last week of reserve without flying, you're still going to get 80 hours of pay.

This is how it works at most other airlines. Our current reserve pay system is "unique", and was never intended to really work this way. It's a result of a grievance that went to arbitration and the arbitrator got "creative" and gave us something we never really thought we'd get.

It's one of the only 2 grievances in 6+ years that I'm aware was ever settled completely in our favor.

Still, it's a great system and really helps the reserve guys offset 1st year pay since we aren't getting 80-90 hours of credit to begin with. To lose it without getting it ALL back somewhere else is simply unforgivable. One of the biggest bargaining chips we had and we only got a 5 hour increase in reserve guarantee? KMDA! (Kiss My Dumb A*s)

 

[Lear70]

What do you think would happen if a bunch of us started hitting up Floy for a letter of recommendation? Think this would send a message?

No.

Floy probably doesn't like this new T.A. either, he's trying to return to the line.

 

[RIDETHELIGHTING]

You will get your 75.00 hours a month. You would have to fly from 0-to above 75 hours to make more then 75. But if you dont fly the whole month you still get your 75. Is that what you are asking?

 

[md83drvr]

Good Question jungle....I'd like to know the answer to that one as well.

Any takers?

The way I read it no daily pay. Only 75/month, if you go over 75 hrs credit you get what you fly. We haven't seen it all yet, but I bet Scheduling can still remove reserve days and just keep you at 75 hrs. So a reserve pilot will have no pay, no work rules, no protections, NO LIFE!


MD8

 

[MINIME]

I apologize for chiming in on your contract, AAI guys and gals. But some of this stuff I'm seeing posted on here looks terrible and could set bad precedence for all of us once we have to sit at our table and negotiate.

Training is a biggie I think cause it directly affects pilots' quality of life and perception of personal stability at any company. I doubt any of us want to go into a checkride wondering if we pissed off the wrong people rather than concetrating on the task at hand, (learning how not to let bad things happen to you).

Doctor's note when you call in sick? My five year old has to do that in school but that's a little more understandable. We are supposed to be professionals and not to mention, ADULTS.

Block or better is a beautiful thing, you let that go and you will loose more than what you bargained for.

Again, sorry for jumping in here but I feel that what you sign up for today, will eventually touch all of us tomorrow.

 

[fmr727drvr]

You can bet if you are over 75 hrs and they have an extra reserve or two you will be URPed. I've seen nothing yet to protect us from this.
And how about some type of oversight....some transparency in how trips are assigned so we can follow along and be sure they are doing it right.
Are we just supposed to trust people like Carol? YGTBSM!!
In past lives I have always been able to monitor the call out list and pretty much predict what I will be assigned.
I guess the NC didn't think that was necessary based on screw sked's normal stellar performance.

 

[EMBATP]

longer days doing more work or more sitting for little or no pay increase once the crappy work rules stuff is thrown in equals a NO vote...

 

[PanPan]

You can bet if you are over 75 hrs and they have an extra reserve or two you will be URPed. I've seen nothing yet to protect us from this.

There wont be any URPing if this contract goes through.
Lets say after three weeks of flying you have 75 hours of credit built up and you still have four more days of reserve for the month. Those four days don't cost the company anything unless they use you or make you sit RR. You will be on reserve those four days and if they don't use you, you will get 75 hours.

 

[ATLDRVR]

Has anyone figured out the formula for the signing bonus? I can't get the numbers to work.

I noticed that the red eye will end the duty period unless the next leg takes you back to your base. This means after the SEA-BWI, LAX-IND, or SFO-IND red eyes they can sked you one leg back to ATL. I don't know if this is good or bad. On the one hand it sucks to do another leg after a red eye but is also gets rid of those 24-26 hours layovers in BWI or IND. Any thoughts?

 

[ATLDRVR]

New letter today from AP on the union web site as to why we should vote yes.

 

[BFL370]

Did you guys ever think that the NPA BoD has gotten ZERO support from most of your pilot group. How many people have gone to the Union mettings? Do you do more than vote? You wanted a TA, and they gave it to you! Your message gives your BoD the leverage it needs to work, or you can through bags for the rampers. So either Cowboy UP! Get on with your vote, and if you vote no be ready and open to do more than bitch on this website. That means helping out and picking up a sign. That means time and effort to support your BoD, or this is the best it gets. It is your call. Welcome to the party two years late.

 

[BFL370]

Ratification Vote Scheduled For June 28

It took more than a day of deliberations, but the National Pilots Association's six-pilot Board of Directors voted Wednesday to endorse the tentative agreement reached over the weekend by its negotiating committee and AirTran Airways. The tentative agreement will now be sent to AirTran's more than 1,500 pilots for a ratification vote.

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"The approval of the tentative agreement by the NPA Board was no slam dunk; in fact, it's a qualified endorsement predicated on the company providing the union with a series of 'questions and answers' that spell out the meaning and intent of several sections of the contract," said Capt. Allen Philpot, President of the National Pilots Association. "The board was very deliberate in its consideration of the deal hammered out by our negotiating committee and the company. While the board was satisfied with the pay and pension increases they had some difficulty agreeing to when the clock starts, meaning when a pilot starts getting paid."
With news of ratification also comes a few more details about the terms of the deal. If ratified, the new contract will initially increase pilot hourly pay to $160.60 per flight hour for 12-year captains from $152.57, and to $83.30 from $78.37 per flight hour for seven-year first officers. The union notes these increases would put AirTran squarely ahead of Atlanta rival Delta Air Lines for narrowbody flight crews.
The new contract would also improve pilot pensions by increasing the company's 401(k) match to two percent by the end of the contract. While pilots did not win all that they had hoped for in the scheduling section of the tentative agreement, the new contract does improve some work rules such as a two-for-one duty rig, meaning at least one hour of flight pay for every two hours on duty.
"One of the positive things about this new contract is its short duration," said Capt. Philpot. "The worst case scenario will have us back in negotiations within three-and-a-half years because of our six month 'early opener' provision, which will give us the chance to fix the scheduling deficiencies we were not able to improve in this contract."
Under the terms of the tentative agreement the new contract will become amendable on June 30, 2011.
The NPA will release the result of its ratification vote on Thursday, June 28 after a series of meetings in Atlanta, Baltimore and Orlando to educate its members on the terms of the contract.
"We want the pilots to fully understand what this new contract will mean to them and how it will impact their flying at AirTran," said Capt. Philpot


Pay Attention to what is said and how, not just the fact that it's a TA.

 

[DonVerita]

SWA does not negotiate with the hotels we stay at. They leave this up to our SWAPA hotel committee and they decide where we stay and sign the deals on SWA's behalf. This is not a contract provision, just a sign of trust that we have with the company and them to us.

This keeps us happy and they actually do a fantastic job finding us nice places.

Yeah...that's because you aren't tethered to a middleman commissioned Hotel Broker like this Management is. Yet they keep renewing his contract which flys in the face of all logic. That's the AirTran way. Make your employees miserable and have a good time doing it.

Start the 30 day countdown. This place needs to be rocked.

 

[GuppyWN]

ATLDRVR;1336475]Has anyone figured out the formula for the signing bonus? I can't get the numbers to work.

Dude. It's not a signing bonus. It's back pay from the past 3 years that you have already earned.

Some guys are suckers for the SIGNING BONUS. It......... makes........good........people.........forget..........to............think.

Gup

 

[ATLDRVR]

Dude. It's not a signing bonus. It's back pay from the past 3 years that you have already earned.

Some guys are suckers for the SIGNING BONUS. It......... makes........good........people.........forget..........to............think.

Gup

Dude. It is called a signing bonus in our TA. If it was backpay it would be a hell of a lot more. By the way I am thinking, trying to figure out how they came up with the amount.

 

[GuppyWN]

Dude. It is called a signing bonus in our TA. If it was backpay it would be a hell of a lot more. By the way I am thinking, trying to figure out how they came up with the amount.

You just made my point.

Gup

p.s. Don't take it personally. I'm not attacking you. It's just a broken record that still gets air time.

 

[mwmav8r01]

Ya'll need to get that scope to 50 seats only and limit the number to less than 50 total airplanes. Scope is HUGE.

 

[ATLDRVR]

You just made my point.

Gup

p.s. Don't take it personally. I'm not attacking you. It's just a broken record that still gets air time.

Exactly how did I make your point? I did not say I was voting yes or no for the contract based on the whatever the hell you want to call it. I just want to know how they came up with the figure because the numbers do not match.

 

[RIDETHELIGHTING]

Im going to be CA, so FO rates are a OK!

I just got off the group call with AP. One pilot asks how come the FO rates lag so for behind average. Well your going to be CA in 3-4 years (I’m so sick of this answer why fo rates must suffer) and for one, he doesn’t know if 3 years will last. Also at some point someone has to sit in the seat.

 

[Lear70]

T.A. Watch: Day 7

Maybe we'll get it by next weekend. Any news from the crew room? Curious how people are talking about this on the line.

 

[cl65capt]

T.A. Watch: Day 7

Maybe we'll get it by next weekend. Any news from the crew room? Curious how people are talking about this on the line.

I'm in the middle of a four day and for the most part capts I've been flying with are pissed. I had one check airman tell me it was a good deal and we'd better vote for it or the company will be pissed. Screw that I say, I'd rather work under our current contract for two more years that work under this TA for the next six.
Lear, I noticed in another post your a P2P, I'm one also and am seriously considering quitting because I'm finding it impossible to talk about this TA objectively.

 

[Yuppyguppy]

all those 717 check airman are wimps

 

[cl65capt]

FA contract

Just curious if anyone on here knows much about our flight attendants contract. I've been hearing that they have a me too clause in regards to pay and that if we start getting paid when the wheels move as opposed to door close so will they. If this is true and this gets voted in I wouldnt ask(aks) for another cup of coffee or anything else from the galley for quite a long time.