Navy A-6 pilot desert storm/shield

[hawkerjet]

Guys, I'm flying with a guy( contract) who says he flew A-6's during desert storm/shield. He also says he did a lot of other stuff but his skill level and way he represents himself don't add up. I can't put my finger on it but something isn't right.
My question to you is this. If he is telling the truth and did fly A-6's during the war, what unit would he have been with and which carrier did he fly from. I appreciate your input.
He also said he trained Israeli pilots in the A-4 in 1988. I thought the Israeli's had their own training.

 

[PimpJuice]

Guys, I'm flying with a guy( contract) who says he flew A-6's during desert storm/shield. He also says he did a lot of other stuff but his skill level and way he represents himself don't add up. I can't put my finger on it but something isn't right.
My question to you is this. If he is telling the truth and did fly A-6's during the war, what unit would he have been with and which carrier did he fly from. I appreciate your input.
He also said he trained Israeli pilots in the A-4 in 1988. I thought the Israeli's had their own training.

A-6's did fly during the war. I think the last squadorn was decommed around '96. Not sure about the Israeli training but it's not out of the question.

 

[Kharma Police]

Maybe he was a B/N?

 

[BORAT]

I believe VA-128 was the last A-6 squadron and it was decomissioned in 1996. Know what squadron this guy was in?

 

[hawkerjet]

What's a B/N ?

 

[hawkerjet]

I'll ask. I am flying with him again mid month.

 

[BORAT]

B/N= Bombardier/Navigator

 

[ERJDRVR]

Funny how these clowns lie to your face about "war stories".

I had a new RJ Cpt flying into Key West (not navy EYW mind you)

He seemed a bit off when we got into the plane and he put on his green air force gloves. I thought, oh brother this is going to be a long week.

So going into EYW, a 4,000 ft rway, he is over there sweating his a$$ off and real nervous. Seemed strange for such an experienced military aviator.

So he goes on and on on he went thru a thundersotrm and banged up a plane with hail and made it thru with his superior skill. Apparently according to him , the only guy to total a C130 in the air blah blah and keep on going.

So days worth of this stuff and it keeps getting stranger. He is off to his guard unit in INDY.

So I leave this guy and j/s to ATL on DAL. These two old crusty pilots are in the cockpit. (Two of the coolest pilots I ever had the pleasure to fly in the cockpit with). They start talking about their units. Just so happens that the FO is in the same unit.

So I drop this CPT's name and the FO about dies with laughter as I tell him the stories.

Come to find out the "super pilot" was no pilot @ all, he was a B/N in the military and drives a desk in his unit with no military flying experience.

4 days of wasted time that I will never get back.

Funny that I nailed that glove wearing clown.

 

[Scrapdog]

Funny how these clowns lie to your face about "war stories".

I had a new RJ Cpt flying into Key West (not navy EYW mind you)

He seemed a bit off when we got into the plane and he put on his green air force gloves. I thought, oh brother this is going to be a long week.

So going into EYW, a 4,000 ft rway, he is over there sweating his a$$ off and real nervous. Seemed strange for such an experienced military aviator.

So he goes on and on on he went thru a thundersotrm and banged up a plane with hail and made it thru with his superior skill. Apparently according to him , the only guy to total a C130 in the air blah blah and keep on going.

So days worth of this stuff and it keeps getting stranger. He is off to his guard unit in INDY.

So I leave this guy and j/s to ATL on DAL. These two old crusty pilots are in the cockpit. (Two of the coolest pilots I ever had the pleasure to fly in the cockpit with). They start talking about their units. Just so happens that the FO is in the same unit.

So I drop this CPT's name and the FO about dies with laughter as I tell him the stories.

Come to find out the "super pilot" was no pilot @ all, he was a B/N in the military and drives a desk in his unit with no military flying experience.

4 days of wasted time that I will never get back.

Funny that I nailed that glove wearing clown.

Ok, WTF does this entire worthless story have anything to do about a guy who posted a thread asking if A-6's flew in Desert Storm?

You know what's even funnier? Hopping in the cockpit with a civilian buffoon who feels as if he has to explain to you how tough his career progression has been as he describes his Embry Ridiculous college flying and then how rough it was learning to fly an RJ from point A to B for 9 hours a day. Then the clown can't even talk on the radio much less do anything but punch numbers in the FMS. Then he/she asks you what your background is and you say "all military fighter time" and their mouth gapes open as they say "oh my god man, how cool...I could have done that, but I decided to fly an RJ instead." And then you just roll your eyes and chuckle.

Yep, no point to my story - just as there was no obvious point to yours.

To the original poster of this thread - yes A-6's did indeed fly in DS.

 

[SIG600]

A-6's did fly during the war. I think the last squadorn was decommed around '96. Not sure about the Israeli training but it's not out of the question.

Wrong.


And do the math, GWI was 90-91... A-6's decom'd in 96.

 

[hawkerjet]

Thank you for your replies, it at least helps me prepare a few questions. Did the A-6's that flew during desert shield/storm fly from a carrier?

 

[wild bill kelso]

Wow Scrap, a little sensitive? Was the original story about you or what?

 

[Occam's Razor]

Yep, no point to my story - just as there was no obvious point to yours.

Scrappy! I kinda took hawkerjet's post as a compliment. He describe the guy as not having the skill set he expected from a tactical jet driver.

He was surprised that the performance didn't match the bona fides.

...a civilian buffoon who feels as if he has to explain to you how tough his career progression has been as he describes his Embry Ridiculous college flying....

The late LCdr Kevin Davis of the Blue Angels learned to fly at Embry Riddle. I'm told he was proud of his training there.

 

[hawkerjet]

Thank You gentlemen, It turns out he was a maintenance tech on the aircraft and turned pilot after getting out of the military using his GI bill.
All it took was a quick look at a DD 214.

 

[Scrapdog]

Wow Scrap, a little sensitive? Was the original story about you or what?

Perhaps my friend, perhaps....

 

[Scrapdog]

The late LCdr Kevin Davis of the Blue Angels learned to fly at Embry Riddle. I'm told he was proud of his training there.

Occam - always giving me sh*t. Gotta love it, standard from you of course. For LCdr Davis, my hat is off to him - as it is to all my military brethren. Hey, there are one or two diamonds in the rough huh?

See you at the merge.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Funny that I nailed that glove wearing clown.

Now that's funny. Did he have the gloves on when you did?


































I always like the NFO's/WSO's that let you know from the beginning what they did.........

 

[bssthound]

I always like the NFO's/WSO's that let you know from the beginning what they did.........

Thank you. Most of us do. I'm always up front about it. I'm proud ( well, sorta ) about what I've done and honestly don't give a ph**k who I do or don't impress. The ones that don't . . . . well, every career field has a tool or three who's slipped through the cracks!!

 

[Occam's Razor]

Occam - always giving me sh*t. Gotta love it, standard from you of course.

Thankee! I try.

For LCdr Davis, my hat is off to him - as it is to all my military brethren. Hey, there are one or two diamonds in the rough huh?

Don't I know it! Once I met a Viper dude that was actually a good stick, and a nice guy! What are the odds I'd meet the only one? <--- BVR

See you at the merge.

Why wait 'til then? (See BVR)

:beer:

 

[PimpJuice]

Wrong.


And do the math, GWI was 90-91... A-6's decom'd in 96.

...And how am I wrong? I said they flew during the war and we're decom'd around 96. Do the math? Read the english.

 

[Remington]

You know what's even funnier? Hopping in the cockpit with a civilian buffoon who feels as if he has to explain to you how tough his career progression has been as he describes his Embry Ridiculous college flying and then how rough it was learning to fly an RJ from point A to B for 9 hours a day. Then the clown can't even talk on the radio much less do anything but punch numbers in the FMS. Then he/she asks you what your background is and you say "all military fighter time" and their mouth gapes open as they say "oh my god man, how cool...I could have done that, but I decided to fly an RJ instead." And then you just roll your eyes and chuckle.



Does CAL's insurance even cover guys with 2000 hrs? You must impress the sh*t outta your captains.

Now get back on yer motorscooter & ride to the o club.

 

[Scrapdog]

Does CAL's insurance even cover guys with 2000 hrs? You must impress the sh*t outta your captains.

Now get back on yer motorscooter & ride to the o club.

1. Unfortunately had to wait 6 months like everyone else here (but hopefully that'll change soon with a new contract).

2. More like 1300 hours mil jet time - and that's 1.0 at a time dude. The rest is civilian GA hodge podge (172, Bonanza, etc).

3. Nah, never open my mouth about my background. For some reason, they're the ones that HAVE to tell me how tough their background was from their RJ days, yada, yada. And most of them certainly don't impress the sh*t out of me.

4. Had to sell the motorscooter (wife made me), and next week we can hit the o'club. You're more than welcome to join me, first round is on me.

Have a good day.

 

[Booster]

Thank you for your replies, it at least helps me prepare a few questions. Did the A-6's that flew during desert shield/storm fly from a carrier?

I was on USS Ranger for DS1. Carrier Air Wing 2 had A-6's.

 

[Occam's Razor]

Ok, that just reminded me of a funny exchange made during the briefing for the raid on Libya in April, '86. An A-6E pilot asks if they're gonna switch the Green anti-collision light (lower lens was green on tanker-tasked aircraft to facilitate identifying them around the ship) to a Red one for the raid.

Briefer: "No...do you plan on crossing the beach with your beacon on?"

 

[AlbieF15]

A-6 guys did some pretty hellacious low level stuff (as did the Britts and F-111s) on nights 1-3.

Made a pretty glow to the north as I sat in watched in an M113.

18 years of playing with toy airplanes...getting ratings...going to UPT...and even getting FAR'd. But I still got to watch the greatest air campaign in history from the ground...

 

[dtfl]

Thank you. Most of us do. I'm always up front about it. I'm proud ( well, sorta ) about what I've done and honestly don't give a ph**k who I do or don't impress. The ones that don't . . . . well, every career field has a tool or three who's slipped through the cracks!!

Oh..man...NAV/WSOs are the culprits...all along I thought it was the light grey pilots! Albie excluded, probably.

 

[dtfl]

A-6 guys did some pretty hellacious low level stuff (as did the Britts and F-111s) on nights 1-3.

Made a pretty glow to the north as I sat in watched in an M113.

18 years of playing with toy airplanes...getting ratings...going to UPT...and even getting FAR'd. But I still got to watch the greatest air campaign in history from the ground...

Yeah but take pride in the fact that many younger pilots that came under your tutelage made sure our enemies got to experience the USAF first hand

 

[AdlerDriver]

A-6 guys did some pretty hellacious low level stuff (as did the Britts and F-111s) on nights 1-3.

Made a pretty glow to the north as I sat in watched in an M113.

18 years of playing with toy airplanes...getting ratings...going to UPT...and even getting FAR'd. But I still got to watch the greatest air campaign in history from the ground...

Albie,
I remember seeing some of those guys on the TV as POWs on day one or two. It definitely gave me a little more to think about that day on the flight out to the northern Iraq border. Pretty sobering.

I also decided to re-think wearing my smiley face "have a nice day" lucky boxer shorts. Getting paraded down mainstreet Bagdad in those wasn't real high on my list of things to do in the war.

 

[SIG600]

...And how am I wrong? I said they flew during the war and we're decom'd around 96. Do the math? Read the english.

Oops, I read that as "didn't" for some reason. Gotta lay off the crack pipe.

 

[VaB]

That first night was reason all the "low-level" attack tactics changed. With all the Intruders downed and damaged, not to mention the other types of aircraft that went in down low, it was quickly figured that going in low wouldn't work anymore.

Luckily we got to keep flying low levels to continue training for it though.