Pilot Shortage INfo

[atpcliff]

Hi!

From another website...

The flight school where I work part time can not find ANY CFIs, and is turning away students...one flight school in Chicago that lost 15 instructors in one week.

HOLD OUT FOR MORE PAY!!!

cliff
YIP

 

[pilotyip]

pilot shortage

Another sign of the worldwide pilot shortage, as we eat our seed corn in the form of new studnets, the shortage will accelerate giving support to the need to increase the 121 retirement age to 77

 

[Huck]

"We just can't find americans to take these jobs."

Sound familiar?

 

[rigger]

it's G.W.B's Fault!!

 

[SPilot]

"We just can't find americans to take these jobs."

Sound familiar?

Don't worry, the pilot shortage is more severe in the rest of the world. And pilots are paid way more in Europe and Asia anyway.

 

[Goose Egg]

Devil's advocate:

You can have your pay, I'll have my seniority number.

-Goose

 

[fatdumbandhappy]

American Eagle had an ad for Pilots in the LA Times classifieds today.... The real pilot shortage will happen when United/AA/USair/Cont. etc start advertising in the classifieds.
FDAH

 

[B-J-J Fighter]

YIP was right. I remember when he started predicting this 4 or 5 yrs ago after 911. I was a skeptic, now turning into a believer. Funny thing as I'm typing this yahoo email alert just pops up alerting me that I have an email from AE about a LA job fair.

 

[Black Hawk]

Hi!

From another website...



HOLD OUT FOR MORE PAY!!!

cliff
YIP

Hold out for more than that. Just apply to the places that provide a reasonable work schedule, pay and medical benefits and insurance. Make them compete for your time.

 

[Dumb Pilot]

You can have your pay, I'll have my seniority number

Deal

 

[MEXICANFLYBOY]

"We just can't find americans to take these jobs."

Sound familiar?

I have a lot of friends from south of the border who would love to come here and teach you, of course they will still need to be FAA certify

 

[CFI2766]

It seems like this pilot shortage is just starting up. How long do you think it will last?

 

[pilotyip]

It is going to accelerate, because of the shortage of instructors on the entry level, fewer pilots will now be trained which will increase pressure upon the remaining pool of available pilots. The ratio of pilots looking to jobs being offered will continue to decrease for the next two decades. Those who skipped Full Time College to build flight time are going to get head of the line privileges after they finish their on-line degree.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

YIP, you were right about the 07' thing with hiring.

Cheers!

 

[Amish RakeFight]

....now can you predict when pay parity shows up?

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

Boeing says that the worlds' airlines will need 17,000 pilots a year for the next 20 years, and that current training systems will not keep up with demand.

I hear "Ab-Initio" for US airlines growing louder and louder in the distance.

cliff
GRB

 

[Goose Egg]

Hi!

Boeing says that the worlds' airlines will need 17,000 pilots a year for the next 20 years, and that current training systems will not keep up with demand.

I hear "Ab-Initio" for US airlines growing louder and louder in the distance.

cliff
GRB

A couple years ago I would have written that off as flight school advertising propaganda. Now... I guess if I didn't make the right choice for pay, I made the right choice for job security. (Not that I'll always be with the same company, but I'll be able to find a job somewhere!)

Ab initio and crew-only certificates, here we come.

-Goose

 

[gsrcrsx68]

What is "crew only cert"?

 

[Amish RakeFight]

What is "crew only cert"?

Something new overseas. The student pilot never flies solo during training and can only fly in a crew environment.

 

[Tarzan]

....now can you predict when pay parity shows up?

Boom Shakka Lacka!

The million dollar question has been posed.

 

[ualdriver]

Something new overseas. The student pilot never flies solo during training and can only fly in a crew environment.

Actually it's an ICAO thing, and maybe won't be an "overseas" thing in a few years.

 

[pilotyip]

What is pay parity? Is that when men and women pilots are paid the same?

 

[PBRstreetgang]

....now can you predict when pay parity shows up?

Yup,
I am holding for a parity of teenage hookers, built into the contract, at every LAYover hotel.
MMMMMMMteenage hookers
PBR

 

[Master Shake]

Hi!

Boeing says that the worlds' airlines will need 17,000 pilots a year for the next 20 years, and that current training systems will not keep up with demand.

I hear "Ab-Initio" for US airlines growing louder and louder in the distance.

cliff
GRB

To add to what you said, those programs would seem to be something that the regional sector has to absorb. As long as they are around, their senior, qualified pilots will tend to migrate to the majors.

 

[pilotyip]

Even with the migration to the majors, the majors will lower their competitve minimums in order to maintain a quality cut, True the majors may never find a real pilot shortage, but things that were show stoppers in the past, like no college degree, will no longer stop pilots from getting hired. Everywhere else in the industry will be in a real bind. This compounded by the almost complete lack of flight instructors to grow new piltos.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

What is pay parity? Is that when men and women pilots are paid the same?

My comment was quick and off-the-cuff, so to speak. Parity has traditionally meant gender equality as such, but pay pairty in terms of employee value intrinsic to thier duties is what I was refering to.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

Yup,
I am holding for a parity of teenage hookers, built into the contract, at every LAYover hotel.
MMMMMMMteenage hookers
PBR

That would nice, wouldn't it?!

 

[acaTerry]

Devil's advocate:

You can have your pay, I'll have my seniority number.

-Goose

Yeah, the number that will take you nowhere....

 

[Goose Egg]

Yup,
I am holding for a parity of teenage hookers, built into the contract, at every LAYover hotel.
MMMMMMMteenage hookers
PBR

Have you ever seen "To Catch a Predator?"

Yeah, the number that will take you nowhere....

I'm half inclined to agree with you, but some guys say "seniority is everything," while other guys say "seniority means nothing." Will you all make up your freakin' minds! GOSH!

-Goose

 

[Spinplate]

Have you ever seen "To Catch a Predator?"



I'm half inclined to agree with you, but some guys say "seniority is everything," while other guys say "seniority means nothing." Will you all make up your freakin' minds! GOSH!

-Goose

Whats if they are 18 or 19??? Still teenagers, just legal ones!