Pinnacle and Delta

[Scott Holl]

"c the future" and ASA can "c themselves out of it"

The only way we will still be here is if the pilots would sign a competitive contract. We have offered all we can, perhaps too much.

Scott

 

[flyf15]

From the press release...

"Expects" is a very fishy word. I could see them "expect" to give it to Inc, then send them to Colgan and say "We wanted to do it with Inc, but Colgan would do it at cheaper rates. Thats what you get for not agreeing to a substandard contract."

 

[BoilerUP]

"Expects" is a very fishy word. I could see them "expect" to give it to Inc, then send them to Colgan and say "We wanted to do it with Inc, but Colgan would do it at cheaper rates. Thats what you get for not agreeing to a substandard contract."

So what's the bigger carrot - growth airplanes or getting compensated what you deserve?

 

[flyf15]

So what's the bigger carrot - growth airplanes or getting compensated what you deserve?

If I were in their shoes, I'd tell them to take their airplanes and shove them if they weren't going to pay me industry leading rates for them. Heck, growth doesn't even matter at Pinnacle right now, they are so short staffed that even without growth, upgrades and senority come real quickly. All growth will cause is more extensions, juniormannings, and worse schedules. Sure sounds like some nice carrot to me.

 

[DoinTime]

"Expects" is a very fishy word. I could see them "expect" to give it to Inc, then send them to Colgan and say "We wanted to do it with Inc, but Colgan would do it at cheaper rates. Thats what you get for not agreeing to a substandard contract."

Are you thinking it would be possible for Colgan to quadruple their lift capacity, double their staffing requirements, and create programs for two new aircraft types inside of 15 months? Also consider that this would create four fleet types at Colgan and only the Saab program is of a size where fleet specific overhead doesn't eclipse the operating profits.

 

[BirdCatcher]

MEMPHIS, TN, Feb 05, 2007 (MARKET WIRE via COMTEX News Network) -- Pinnacle Airlines Corp. (NASDAQ: PNCL) announced today that it has entered into a new capacity purchase agreement with Continental Airlines, Inc. Pinnacle Airlines Corp.'s wholly owned subsidiary, Colgan Air, Inc., will operate fifteen 74-seat Bombardier Q400 regional aircraft as a Continental Connection carrier. The aircraft will operate primarily out of the Continental hub at Newark Liberty International Airport.

MEMPHIS, TN, Apr 30, 2007 (MARKET WIRE via COMTEX News Network) -- Pinnacle Airlines Corp. (NASDAQ: PNCL) ("Pinnacle") announced today that it has entered into a new capacity purchase agreement with Delta Air Lines to operate 16 CRJ-900 aircraft as a Delta Connection carrier. Pinnacle currently expects that the aircraft will be operated by its wholly owned regional jet subsidiary, Pinnacle Airlines, Inc



Why the so different news releases?

 

[DoinTime]

Why the so different news releases?

The Colgan pilots do not have the ability to hold the Company's feet to the fire on payrates for their new equipment (and the Q400 rates reflect that). This gives the company the ability set financial targets and be confident that they will meet them.

At PCL the company has to negotiate new payscales with the pilots. This uncertainty in being able to meet financial targets does not allow them the ability to make firm commitments up front.

 

[Flyer1015]

Exactly, well said.

See this thread:

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=97663

 

[Mesabi Miner]

Go get 'em!

A very strange announcement indeed. The NWA "CRJs to Mesaba" whipsaw against Pinnacle is seemingly countered by an announcement of new aircraft coming online for Pinnacle? Seems like 9E had the carpet pulled out from under them only to have it replaced with a better, stain-resistant brand! Get yourselves some cash in this new contract boys and girls...

 

[SEVEN]

The signs of a NWA/Delta merger continue. Probably summer of '08.

 

[Tomct]

The signs of a NWA/Delta merger continue. Probably summer of '08.

Dream On Dude!

 

[Tomct]

Don't worry folks, ALPA is hard at work for "brand scope".... everything will be OK.... Keep sending those dues in.... DW needs to get his next pension check as we continue to play the "Portfolio Challenge Wheel of Misfortune"......

You know Joe, only you would make this dumb statement. Yeah...ALPA is too blame for everything! Like freight said...our mgmnt shares the majority if not ALL of the blame. They are nothing but a bunch of incompetent idiots running this place. No wonder Delta is looking elsewhere! You are such an IDIOT!

 

[SEVEN]

Dream On Dude!

Doug S. would never allow 9E to drift away from the "NW Family" without serious ramifications.

 

[PCL_128]

You know Joe, only you would make this dumb statement.

Oh, ye of little faith! Standby for fellow RJDC-loser N2264J to stop by and say something even more asinine! Or maybe Joey's older girlfriend, InclusiveScope, will stop by and make a "brilliant" comment or two.

 

[flatspin7]

So lets sum it all Up flying for Delta....
Comair
ASA
Skywest
Mesa/Freedom
CHQ/Shuttle America
ExpressJet (coming soon)
Pinnacle (Coming soon)
Big Sky (coming soon)


Did I forget any one... How the heck do they keep it all in order... it must be a logistical nightmare!!!!!

 

[kiteflyer]

when did express jet get flying for delta? what are they going to fly?

 

[wmuflyguy]

Pinnacle Will announce today a ten year contract to fly 16 CRJ900s for Delta. The plan is to recieve the first aircraft in November and begin flying in December.

Another bottom feeder flying crj's for DL. Pathetic.

I'm sure all those gulfstream grads are beside themselves to fly the "heavy Iron" for 19-36 bucks an hour.

 

[Papps]

Anyone still trying to figure out why 9E bought colgan? These planes will be going to colgan. Don't mistake 9E management for incomptent. They are terrible to their employees, they dont care about anyones QOL, pay, contract compliance. But they arent incompetent. They know how to work a wipsaw just like anyone else, and they know how to punish pilots for trying to get a fair contract.

 

[PCL_128]

Another bottom feeder flying crj's for DL. Pathetic.

You haven't even seen the payrates for these airplanes yet, and you're already calling us bottom feeders?

 

[~~~^~~~]

So lets sum it all Up flying for Delta....
Comair
ASA
Skywest
Mesa/Freedom
CHQ/Shuttle America
ExpressJet (coming soon)
Pinnacle (Coming soon)
Big Sky (coming soon)


Did I forget any one... How the heck do they keep it all in order... it must be a logistical nightmare!!!!!

Pasted from an e-mail, not my material.... this brings the total DCI carriers to ten different certificated carriers or six corporate entities:

1. ASA
2. Big Sky
3. Chautauqua
4. Comair
5. ExpressJet
6. Freedom
7. Pinnacle
8. Republic
9. SkyWest
10. Shuttle America

From a labor standpoint, four are ALPA carriers, three are Teamsters, and two are non-union.