Any hawaiian pilots???

[boknowsASA]

Is their any Hawaiian Air pilots that can answer some questions???

 

[Erndogg]

Is their any Hawaiian Air pilots that can answer some questions???

What's your question's???

 

[HAL]

Questions? I got about a million. Answers? Hmmm... probably in short supply, but go ahead and fire away. (There's quite a few of us HA people who occasionally haunt this board so probably someone knows the answer to whatever you're looking for.)

HAL

 

[johnsonrod]

When will Hawaiian hire off the streets again? Have all of the furloughees been recalled? If not, what is the estimate to get the last one recalled?

Also, do you have any non-Honolulu pilot domiciles and are they super senior?

 

[Hansoma]

When will Hawaiian hire off the streets again? Have all of the furloughees been recalled? If not, what is the estimate to get the last one recalled?

Yeah, I would like to know too.
(Haunt!? Whatever)

 

[Heavy Set]

Questions? I got about a million. Answers? Hmmm... probably in short supply, but go ahead and fire away. (There's quite a few of us HA people who occasionally haunt this board so probably someone knows the answer to whatever you're looking for.)

HAL

HAL,

Are you flying the 767 or 717 at Hawaiian, and are you happy you are back and away from the USAir debacle? And, have you flown to SYD yet if you are on the 767?

 

[Erndogg]

When will Hawaiian hire off the streets again? Have all of the furloughees been recalled? If not, what is the estimate to get the last one recalled?

Also, do you have any non-Honolulu pilot domiciles and are they super senior?

Still have 52 on furlough. No word on when they will come back, but just like alot of airlines nowdays-we are understaffed.

Good possibility there will be some more recalls in the near future.

SEA is our only mainland base and is senior as you said. Hopefully they start adding pilots soon since we are adding flights there.

Hopefully that helps!

 

[Ainokea]

whats the current time limit on recalls? How many years do they have to get back before they must re-apply as new hires?

 

[Freight Dog]

I don't think HAL has any time limits.

 

[Erndogg]

whats the current time limit on recalls? How many years do they have to get back before they must re-apply as new hires?

I believe it is 6 years per union agreement, but company usually recalls them anyway.

 

[HAL]

HAL,

Are you flying the 767 or 717 at Hawaiian, and are you happy you are back and away from the USAir debacle? And, have you flown to SYD yet if you are on the 767?

I'm on the 767, and almost (but not quite) senior enough to hold Seattle. I miss the people and flying at AWA, and don't envy them at all what is going on there. I still see people from my AWA class when I have PHX overnights, and I can tell it's wearing on them. Hopefully it will all get settled soon. I made the right decision coming back, but that doesn't mean it was all bad at AWA, just better at HA. Yes, I've been to SYD, and have more coming up later this month too. Gotta love those 10+ hour legs!

Hansoma - you will be recalled, but due to a technical glitch in crew planning, your name is now last on the furloughee list. This is what happens when it's all done by hand instead of computer. See ya in a couple years! :laugh:

Still have 52 on furlough. No word on when they will come back, but just like alot of airlines nowdays-we are understaffed.

Understaffed is an understatement! Have you seen the daily flight schedule lately? It looks like having free and clear reserves is a foreign concept to scheduling!

HAL

 

[steveg]

And here I was beginning to think you didn't love us anymore Mr. President! When you headed back this way, we still need to get in that reunion.

 

[HAL]

And here I was beginning to think you didn't love us anymore Mr. President! When you headed back this way, we still need to get in that reunion.

Steve! It's been a while, but I have three PHX trips in May. I'll e-mail you the details.

HAL (still waiting for my turn in D.C.)

 

[General Lee]

Steve! It's been a while, but I have three PHX trips in May. I'll e-mail you the details.

HAL (still waiting for my turn in D.C.)

HAL,

How many trips do you have per month? A three day is worth about 12-14 hours to the West Coast, right? So, do you do 6 ot 7 of those? The SYD flights must be worth 20 hours. That would be a good mix, a few PHX and a couple SYD. Are you guys still doing ANC flights? Also, does the SEA base just have out and backs, or do they have 4 day trips? Just curious.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[HAL]

HAL,

How many trips do you have per month? A three day is worth about 12-14 hours to the West Coast, right? So, do you do 6 ot 7 of those? The SYD flights must be worth 20 hours. That would be a good mix, a few PHX and a couple SYD. Are you guys still doing ANC flights? Also, does the SEA base just have out and backs, or do they have 4 day trips? Just curious.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Gen'rl,

Most of our trips run between 10 and 11 hours, whether they are two or three day trips. Trip rig is 1:4, or 6 hours per 24 that you are gone. Not many of our trips run into that however, just a few with long layovers. LAS runs about 11:30 pay and credit, and PHX is just over 12. SYD is right at 20 hours for the four-day trips, plus a little trip rig for about 23.5 hours pay and credit for the five-day trip. Unless they bid for a lot of SYD flights, most people have at least seven trips per month, and some have eight or even nine (if they do the 2-day trips & want high time). We're still battling with scheduling on how to do our reserve as they've been trying out 'mixed reserve' and other methods of dividing up the open time. It's hard for them though because if you have six three-day trips you max out your available days for the month (18) but have only flown 65 hours or so, and that doesn't make a legal line. Some of the junior guys get a reserve schedule, then have those trips placed on it so they're flying every available day, but only getting the minimum pay - 75 hours. Since I'm climbing more toward the middle of the FO pack now, I get a little more choice. My preliminary May has 3 PHX, 1 LAS, 1 SYD, and a couple days of carryover from another SYD. That's not too bad, but it's still 18 days away from home.

The ANC, PPG (Samoa) & PPT (Tahiti) trips go pretty senior because although they include a redeye, they are flown as a turn with heavy crews so we can get our 10+ hours pay and credit, and only be gone for about 12 hours. By flying those trips you only have to work seven days a month, and sleep at home every night.

The SEA crews only do 2-day out & backs to HNL and OGG. They may complain about the schedule (two on, one off, etc) but they still don't want to be away from home for more than one night, so that probably won't change anytime soon.

HAL

 

[Ainokea]

HAL

Can you verify the status about the current FUR. What time period do they have until they are to reapply as new hires again and worst off, lose their seniority and longevity numbers...if any?

 

[HAL]

According to both the company and union, everyone will keep their seniority and longevity until they're recalled, no matter how long that takes. HA has a long history of furlough/recall (in the old interisland-only days, junior guys would regularly fly during spring/summer and be furloughed for fall/winter). We've been assured that everyone will be offered their chance to return with their time and position intact. The contract may say 6 years for a furloughee, but the company is free to ignore that timeframe (and does) when offering recall.

HAL

 

[FlickerFade]

So, what about this Continental rumor?

 

[HighSpeedClimb]

Hawaiian Adds Continental's U.S. Routes to Frequent Flyer Benefits

HONOLULU, HI USA 01/17/2006


​

HONOLULU, April 23 /PRNewswire/ -- Hawaiian Airlines announced today
its frequent flyer members are now able to earn HawaiianMiles anytime they
fly Continental Airlines anywhere in the nation.
(Logo: http://www.newscom.com/cgi-bin/prnh/20040827/LAF044LOGO)
The mileage earning benefits for HawaiianMiles members is part of a new
code sharing agreement between Hawaiian and Continental. "Our frequent
flyers have unrestricted access to earn all the miles they want flying in
the U.S. on Continental that can be used for free flights on Hawaiian,"
said Rick Peterson, Hawaiian's vice president of e-commerce.
The new agreement also allows members of Continental's OnePass frequent
flyer program to earn 500 OnePass miles for every interisland flight on
Hawaiian, while enjoying seamless connections with one-stop check-in for
ticketing and luggage and the comforts of Hawaiian's Boeing 717-200 jet
aircraft seating eight people in first class and 115 passengers in coach.
In addition to enhanced frequent flyer benefits, the new program allows
Hawaiian to offer its customers one-stop service between Honolulu and
Cleveland -- a major hub for making flight connections to points in the
Eastern U.S. -- with Continental providing the connections to Cleveland
from Hawaiian's gateways in Las Vegas, Los Angeles, San Francisco and
Phoenix.

 

[Hansoma]

So, what about this Continental rumor?

Whaa......

What are the rumors?

 

[FlickerFade]

Acquisition is the rumor, makes sense and we'd just equal about one year in their hiring...................

That code share is pretty interesting considering the rumor, they're obviously talking about stuff.

I don't have any info.

 

[HAL]

I think the rumor got started when the company was working on the code-share agreement. Obviously when HA mangement and CAL management do a lot of talking rumors will fly. However I also believe that the merger part is just rumor, started because of the (then) secret code-share talks.

I wouldn't say never, but I don't think this rumor has legs.

HAL

 

[General Lee]

Gen'rl,

Most of our trips run between 10 and 11 hours, whether they are two or three day trips. Trip rig is 1:4, or 6 hours per 24 that you are gone. Not many of our trips run into that however, just a few with long layovers. LAS runs about 11:30 pay and credit, and PHX is just over 12. SYD is right at 20 hours for the four-day trips, plus a little trip rig for about 23.5 hours pay and credit for the five-day trip. Unless they bid for a lot of SYD flights, most people have at least seven trips per month, and some have eight or even nine (if they do the 2-day trips & want high time). We're still battling with scheduling on how to do our reserve as they've been trying out 'mixed reserve' and other methods of dividing up the open time. It's hard for them though because if you have six three-day trips you max out your available days for the month (18) but have only flown 65 hours or so, and that doesn't make a legal line. Some of the junior guys get a reserve schedule, then have those trips placed on it so they're flying every available day, but only getting the minimum pay - 75 hours. Since I'm climbing more toward the middle of the FO pack now, I get a little more choice. My preliminary May has 3 PHX, 1 LAS, 1 SYD, and a couple days of carryover from another SYD. That's not too bad, but it's still 18 days away from home.

The ANC, PPG (Samoa) & PPT (Tahiti) trips go pretty senior because although they include a redeye, they are flown as a turn with heavy crews so we can get our 10+ hours pay and credit, and only be gone for about 12 hours. By flying those trips you only have to work seven days a month, and sleep at home every night.

The SEA crews only do 2-day out & backs to HNL and OGG. They may complain about the schedule (two on, one off, etc) but they still don't want to be away from home for more than one night, so that probably won't change anytime soon.

HAL

Thanks for all of the good info. So, did you say you were trying to bid SEA? Well, you still would get to layover in beautiful Hawaii I guess. I bet SYD is nice this time of year. What a change from LAS and PHX.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Freight Dog]

Unless they bid for a lot of SYD flights, most people have at least seven trips per month, and some have eight or even nine (if they do the 2-day trips & want high time).

At least 7 trips per month??? At least 14 crossings in a month?

 

[HAL]

At least 7 trips per month??? At least 14 crossings in a month?

C'mon F.D., don't tell me you're one of those weenies that can't handle 5+ hours in a cockpit. Oh yeah, you 737 guys don't have cockpits, but something more like moveable phone booths instead. Ya gotta try life in the widebody lane!

Besides, that just means 14 landings a month, instead of 14 landings in two days like the interisland guys!

HAL

 

[HighSpeedClimb]

Yep, AQ guys are flying 5 three day trips a month. Now we can fly 6 if we want 85 hrs. Most guys are avoiding that though.
Our 3 day trips on average are 12:30 to 13:30 pay credit. If you fly an add on tag to say KSMF, KLAS or KRNO you'll get in the 14's.
Yep, you got it their when you say telephone booth! But the all glass cockpit almost makes up for it..lol lol lol "ALMOST" I'll still trade ya any day..

 

[HAL]

Thanks for all of the good info. So, did you say you were trying to bid SEA? Well, you still would get to layover in beautiful Hawaii I guess. I bet SYD is nice this time of year. What a change from LAS and PHX.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Yes, I'll probably go back to SEA when I can hold it (hopefully sometime soon). And the Hawaii layovers are great - a nice change from Seattle, especially in the winter.

SYD is nice but cooling off this time of year. Mid-60's and some rain showers now and then. It sure beats PHX & LAS when they're 100+ though.

HAL

 

[HAL]

Yep, AQ guys are flying 5 three day trips a month. Now we can fly 6 if we want 85 hrs. Most guys are avoiding that though.
Our 3 day trips on average are 12:30 to 13:30 pay credit. If you fly an add on tag to say KSMF, KLAS or KRNO you'll get in the 14's.

I guess that is what happens when you have to fly high and slow! :laugh: Long live the '37.

HAL

 

[HighSpeedClimb]

I guess that is what happens when you have to fly high and slow! :laugh: Long live the '37.

HAL

Yeah yeah, .82 is max speed, but .78 is ultra fuel conserv mode. 5000lbs an hour. Not bad eh.. Can't wait for the Q400's to start crossing so we can pass someone...:nuts:

 

[Freight Dog]

C'mon F.D., don't tell me you're one of those weenies that can't handle 5+ hours in a cockpit. Oh yeah, you 737 guys don't have cockpits, but something more like moveable phone booths instead. Ya gotta try life in the widebody lane!

Besides, that just means 14 landings a month, instead of 14 landings in two days like the interisland guys!

HAL

HAL,

It's not that I can't handle it. I just don't want to work that much or that hard, or be that happy.

You definitely got a point about those 737 cockpits. Moveable phone booths... ha! I wish they were that roomy.

HighSpeed... you forgot to mention that with those 5 3-day trips worth 60 hours or so, we get paid for 80, so basically, I'd equate that to a nice daily pay instead of hourly - like it really matters if you're flying from OAK or SNA or SAN. You're working. That brings me to the point of 85 hour guys - for the life of me, I can't understand or comprehend the logic those guys are using. Here's why: if you are paid $11,000/month to fly 15 days, you make roughly $734 per day plus per diem. The Company calls it 80 hours of pay, I call it the number of days you worked. Let's say you're doing 85 hours in a month (no vacation or other credits) which makes you now work 3 more days. Those extra 5 hours are paid at 150% which basically works out to 7.5 more hours at straight pay, right?

My question is this - do people bidding 85 hours not see that they are working half a trip for free, especially if they do a tag? Instead of getting time AND a half, they're getting time IN half. I guess they like to fly or something...

I just don't get it.