It was only a matter of time: the media spin on Pinnacle 4712

[ex j-41]

Don't you think there is a direct correlation between a low time pilot, low pay and increased risk?

I mean the CRJ is not a kids toy. If Pinnacle raised its pay to acceptable rates then they could attract and retain better qualified pilots. Then this might not happen. Far better for someone to have an an incident in a 152 then a CRJ. Accidents can happen with higher time pilots but that's not my point. If pay was resonable then airlines could attract better pilots, but because the pay is so low you get what you pay for.

 

[pgcfii2002]

One of the best quotes so far this year...however when places like UND and ER tell you that you are the next TOP GUN....

I guess the weather dosn't has as much repect for you as your cool leather jacket, revos, and fresh bottle of hair gel, dang that weather

You forgot the gigantic aviators watch on their wrist........

 

[Rook]

You forgot the gigantic aviators watch on their wrist........

And of course...the iPod.

"Below the hard deck does not count."

 

[pgcfii2002]

"He went like this....we went like that...I said to Hollywood...where'd he go, Hollywood says....where did WHO GO......???"

 

[punkpilot48]

Don't you think there is a direct correlation between a low time pilot, low pay and increased risk?

I mean the CRJ is not a kids toy. If Pinnacle raised its pay to acceptable rates then they could attract and retain better qualified pilots. Then this might not happen. Far better for someone to have an an incident in a 152 then a CRJ. Accidents can happen with higher time pilots but that's not my point. If pay was resonable then airlines could attract better pilots, but because the pay is so low you get what you pay for.

Two very experienced pilots went to take off outa LEX one day.....

 

[Captain Overs]

If you don't run off the runway there isn't much to spin.

Here's a novel idea. Stop having accidents and the media will stop talking smack!

If the braking action was so bad why did they attempt to land? If they weren't sure what the braking was, why did they land? If they were close to limits on performance, why did they land? A good pilot knows when not to land more than when to land. How's that for a spin on things? uke:

Right on! Look at what sector of the industry, and what regionals, are having the accidents and incidents. Don't blame the media. Look in the mirror.

 

[climbhappy]

okay i get it! : experienced pilot went to take off...

hey, that was a cheap shot! how does a crew that took off on the wrong runway euqal a captain's wrong decision to let this lowtimer land on a cotaminated runway?

he never should have done it.... if you've ever been a captain , you know that if you act like you're never gonna screw up, you will probably right after you reem out your FO.

stay humble, focused and access the risk. you can't teach flying skills with braking at poor to nil... period

 

[punkpilot48]

hey, that was a cheap shot! how does a crew that took off on the wrong runway euqal a captain's wrong decision to let this lowtimer land on a cotaminated runway?

he never should have done it.... if you've ever been a captain , you know that if you act like you're never gonna screw up, you will probably right after you reem out your FO.

stay humble, focused and access the risk. you can't teach flying skills with braking at poor to nil... period

IT was cheap but it proved my point (which it seems you agree with) that low timers and high timers can make mistakes.

 

[PCL_128]

a captain's wrong decision to let this lowtimer land on a cotaminated runway?

No one ever said that the Captain allowed the FO to land in TVC. Perhaps you should wait until the official report comes out before talking a bunch of trash.

 

[DoinTime]

hey, that was a cheap shot! how does a crew that took off on the wrong runway euqal a captain's wrong decision to let this lowtimer land on a cotaminated runway?

#1 - Captain performed landing.
#2 - FO had over 2500 hours TT.

 

[Filkster]

If the braking action was so bad why did they attempt to land? If they weren't sure what the braking was, why did they land? If they were close to limits on performance, why did they land? A good pilot knows when not to land more than when to land. How's that for a spin on things? uke:

Braking action was reported to the crew to be GOOD, when they touched down the ACTUAL braking action was NIL...... So how about the airport operators provide braking action reports that reflect ACTUAL CONDITIONS.

 

[Lear70]

#1 - Captain performed landing.
#2 - FO had over 2500 hours TT.

Oh, SMACK!

Braking action was reported to the crew to be GOOD, when they touched down the ACTUAL braking action was NIL...... So how about the airport operators provide braking action reports that reflect ACTUAL CONDITIONS.

Oh, DOUBLE SMACK!

Is it about time someone apologized for making incorrect ASSumptions about the crew's decisions?

Or are you really going to refuse to land at EVERY airport in winter ops with a good braking action report and weather above mins?

Yeah, THAT will keep you gainfully employed... *snicker*

You think people would at least have the decency to wait until the NTSB releases some CVR and FDR data before the mud slinging begins... Jeez.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

ledeted.

 

[CA1900]

You think people would at least have the decency to wait until the NTSB releases some CVR and FDR data before the mud slinging begins...

What message board do you think this is, anyway?

 

[Lear70]

What message board do you think this is, anyway?

Good point. :beer: