Accellerate the pilot shortage

[pilotyip]

And when UAL starting looking at regional Capts, with their 1000 hrs PIC being the primary selection criteria, the college degree will not be that important, because it has nothing to do with flying an airplane. This is a by-product of pilot shortage.

 

[Black Hawk]

And when UAL starting looking at regional Capts, with their 1000 hrs PIC being the primary selection criteria, the college degree will not be that important, because it has nothing to do with flying an airplane. This is a by-product of pilot shortage.

Your slipping YIP. It took you until post #21 to get the college comment in. UAL will put applications in all sorts of stacks and college vs. no college will be one of them.

 

[daviator28621]

I'm In

I too am a regional hopeful. I planned on applying in early may with my brand new commercial in hand. I have over 250 hours and 30 multi,, I just have to get my commercial sticker. Scheduling only allows me to wait until 1st week in may to get it done. I'm going to multi engine training in texas, they garuntee commercial multi and single for $2200 plus examiner. It;s hard to get that locally.
I will support the wait until june 15th, So I can afford to actually work for a regional. I know there are a lot of guys saying be a CFI, noble of course but in my area they only pay about $10-$15 per hour and it would cost me another $5-$7K to get the instructor cert. Why do it. I can get low pay at a regional and with a few benefits.
I'll support it. Even low time guys are worth $28-$30K a year starting pay. Think about our investment, Money and Time!!!

 

[flyer172r]

Even low time guys are worth $28-$30K a year starting pay.

And which regional exactly pays that much the first year?

 

[Guitar Guy]

I agree, it will take you approximately 10 years to get to a job that will allow you to start making QOL a goal in your job search.

What's your basis for that statement? I flew for a regional and went from the interview at that regional to captain at a fractional in 5 years. I also know several co-workers that went from regional interview to places like CAL, SWA, FedEx, etc at around the 5-year mark. I don't know anyone at my old regional that managed to stay there 10 years unless they were senior management.

 

[Propsync]

What if I just up and quit before June 15. Does that help?

 

[pilotyip]

Black Hawk, there will be three stacks at UAL, one for college degrees, one W/O college degrees and a third W/O college degrees with 2000 hr TJ PIC and previous 121 Check Airman Status. They will draw from pile # 3 before they go to the bottom of pile #1.

 

[pilotyip]

Gu guy; There always exceptions to any rule, but the average is around 10 years. at age 18 you get your comm., you CFI until age 20, you get a cargo job that lasts 5 years where you start building TJ PIC, you go to a bigger cargo flying 121 for a place like Kalitta for three years. That is 10 years before you start looking for the final career-resting place. If you go the full time college route at age 20 you get your comm., you CFI until age 24, you get a cargo job that lasts 5 years where you start building TJ PIC, you go to a bigger cargo flying 121 for a place like Kalitta for three years. Then there are guys like me who never made it in 40 yrs.

 

[Goose Egg]

I'm in, I guess, although I wasn't planning on applying anywhere until around August or whenever I got my 100 multi (whichever comes first) before I ever opened this thread. But if the shoe fits...

Note: I realize that I could go a lot of places with my times right now, but there's always the possibility of getting stuck at a regional. I'd want to get stuck somewhere good.

 

[Guitar Guy]

Gu guy; There always exceptions to any rule, but the average is around 10 years. at age 18 you get your comm., you CFI until age 20, you get a cargo job that lasts 5 years where you start building TJ PIC, you go to a bigger cargo flying 121 for a place like Kalitta for three years. That is 10 years before you start looking for the final career-resting place. If you go the full time college route at age 20 you get your comm., you CFI until age 24, you get a cargo job that lasts 5 years where you start building TJ PIC, you go to a bigger cargo flying 121 for a place like Kalitta for three years. Then there are guys like me who never made it in 40 yrs.

There are many paths a pilot can take to a "career place" and that is only one of them. As I've mentioned, there are people doing it in less than 10 years and others who may never get there.

Like the car commercials say, your mileage may vary.

 

[bigbird]

He is right! Hold off applying for at least a 6 months. You will end up getting huge bonuses, better contracts, and better pay.

 

[Black Hawk]

Black Hawk, there will be three stacks at UAL, one for college degrees, one W/O college degrees and a third W/O college degrees with 2000 hr TJ PIC and previous 121 Check Airman Status. They will draw from pile # 3 before they go to the bottom of pile #1.

Sure, they'll have those three stacks and probably a couple others stacks for a variety of other personal criteria that has nothing to do with flying an airplane.

 

[av8er2]

seems to me that the best way to change things at a company or industry is while you work in it. i think all you're doing now is losing a good seniority number.

That is the problem with this industry, it is all about "ME"! Until all stand together there will be little change.

Take an occurance for a fatigue call, etc. Do what is right!!!!!!

 

[bailey3083]

Keep dreaming..it will never happen and the regionals will always suck..

 

[Hootie9750]

Regionals will ALWAYS suck. But where else can you fly a jet for IHOP server wages and be gone from your home 65% of the time. What a fvxked up job.

 

[QXpeon]

And which regional exactly pays that much the first year?

Horizon does.

But I wouldn't recommend coming here. Unless you REALLY want to be in the Pac NW and sit as an FO for 5+ years.

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

One idea is to go somewhere like TSA/Pinnacle, or the turboprop operators, then you can go to a better regional like Air WI or Horizon after 6 months, or you can go to Chautauqua/Republic and get a signing bonus WITHOUT a 4 year contract like Mesa has.

cliff
DRT

 

[daviator28621]

You need to post this in the employment section so it will get read by everyone looking for a job at the regionals.!!!!

 

[Master Shake]

Why wait to apply? I only instructed because I HAD TO. I only flew freight because I HAD TO. If I had the opportunity to get on at any regional with 250 hours I'd have taken it. Don't kid yourselves, instructing sucks. So does flying freight. JMHO so feel free to follow your heart :nuts:

 

[buckeyeflyer]

The problem is, you, and I, and hundreds of other Flight Info readers can protest this and hold our resumes, but there is always another pilot out there who has less time and less experience who is going to be willing to put their resume in and take that $18,000 job. I like the idea, but like I said, there is always going to be someone that is willing.....