Compass pay rates

[hdpilot1]

A paragraph from an article posted in the Minneapolis - St. Paul Star Tribune

"Pilots are paid on an hourly rate when the airplane is moving. A starting co-pilot at Compass would be paid $23.18 an hour, and would earn $20,862 by flying 900 hours over one year. Furloughed Northwest pilots can start out at Compass as second-year captains. If the pilot flies 850 hours over the year, that pilot would be paid $53,049."

According to my superb math skills a second year captain will make $62.41 an hour which is less than a second year Republic captain on the 175 which makes $67 an hour.

 

[Sinca3]

Compass pay rates suck....as do Mid Atlantic, and several mainline 100 seat pay rates (DAL included). Just remember though....the regionals are bringing down the industry!

 

[snap145]

It will be VERY interesting to see how many applicants they get with theyre minimums as high as they are and theyre pay as low as it is.....time will tell

 

[DoinTime]

According to my superb math skills a second year captain will make $62.41 an hour which is less than a second year Republic captain on the 175 which makes $67 an hour.

Actually....CHQ second year pay on a 76 seat jet would be $61.98.

 

[dondk]

I did not know that NWA had finally come to a T/A on the Compass contract.

 

[hdpilot1]

Well this is according to the star tribune so who knows if its 100% accurate. On airline pilot central it says captain pay at republic on the 175 is 67 an hour 2nd yr pay.

 

[DoinTime]

You were right on with the payrate. Second year Compass captain is $62.41. The 175 is certified to seat up to 86 seats. I believe (and someone correct me if I am wrong) CHQ/Republic contract pays by the seat configuration. They have a rate for 60-78 seats which pays $61.98/hour for second year captain. I do not believe they have any of their 175's configured for less than 79 seats so the 79+ seat payscale applies to the 175 at Republic.

Don't get me wrong I think its BS that pilots get paid by the seat configuration instead of aircraft type but thats the way the industry is becoming.

 

[Occam's Razor]

I did not know that NWA had finally come to a T/A on the Compass contract.

Pay rates (those for the Emb-175) at Compass were set by the NWA mainline contract ratified last year.

 

[JoeMerchant]

If a regional does this, it is called "lowering the bar", or "stealing", or "whoring". When a mainline pilot group does it, it is called "recapturing flying". Kinda like calling a garbage man a "sanitary engineer"......

 

[~~~^~~~]

Yes, interesting situation beginning to develop where mainline guys are bypassing recall because the regional they are at pays them more than their longevity provides them if they return to the E Jets. Read the US Air threads.

If Delta gets a 100 seater, they will pretty much have to put new hires in both seats because I don't see MD88 guys bidding over with a pay cut unless they need PIC.

We all know the mainline guys do not want to fly these airplanes at these rates. Maybe someday they will see the benefit in having all their brand's flying on a single seniority list.

Sucks when the B scale you negotiate for someone else becomes your pay rate.....

 

[Occam's Razor]

If a regional does this, it is called "lowering the bar", or "stealing", or "whoring". When a mainline pilot group does it, it is called "recapturing flying". Kinda like calling a garbage man a "sanitary engineer"......

Gee, Wally! Mebbe it was a concessionary deal executed under duress in bankruptcy.

Can you confirm?

How much did you pay for that Porta-Martyr 2000 fold-up cross? Does it fit inside your PurdyNeat like the ad sez?

 

[JoeMerchant]

Gee, Wally! Mebbe it was a concessionary deal executed under duress in bankruptcy.

Can you confirm?

How much did you pay for that Porta-Martyr 2000 fold-up cross? Does it fit inside your PurdyNeat like the ad sez?

OK then why underbid regional carriers for flying that they are doing? The only reason to negotiate these "phantom" rates is to try and "recapture" this flying.

Maybe if there were some actual teeth to this brand scope BS, we wouldn't be in this bidding war......

 

[~~~^~~~]

OK then why underbid regional carriers for flying that they are doing? The only reason to negotiate these "phantom" rates is to try and "recapture" this flying.

Well they also had to put downward pressure on "regional" pay to justify the bargaining credits they recieved for enabling the Request for Proposal process.

The bargaining credits equalled what management figured they could extract from the regional pilots. So far it has been a fair deal for both sides who were represented at the table and a screw job for the rest of the pilots who serve the brand.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Well they also had to put downward pressure on "regional" pay to justify the bargaining credits they recieved for enabling the Request for Proposal process.

The bargaining credits equalled what management figured they could extract from the regional pilots. So far it has been a fair deal for both sides who were represented at the table and a screw job for the rest of the pilots who serve the brand.

Your absolutely right Fins. So much for "brand scope"......

 

[737 Pylt]

Your absolutely right Fins. So much for "brand scope"......

You're right too Joe, why bother to negotiate what you can't have when you can sue for it!

737

 

[vtwo]

once again.

Are Compass Pilots on the mainline seniority list or is this some side deal Mainline NWA made During Bankruptcy?

Are compass Pilots able to bid for positions at NWA?

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

NWA is offering Compass captain to at least some of their furloughed pilots. I have read that Compass guys get an NWA seniority number, but I haven't seen anything official.

I am trying to find out details myself.

cliff
SHV

 

[filejw]

I don't know about the Compass rates mentioned here but I do know that NWA ALPA is still negotiating the Compass contract..

 

[NWA Furloughee]

Hi Vtwo,

In answer to your question; the Compass and NWA seniority lists are separate. The latest word on new hire Compass pilots flowing up to the NWA mainline is that they be Captains and have 30 months of service at Compass. The powers that be must assume this is a big enough carrot to offer potential first year Captains as $60.41 an hour is certainly near the bottom of the barrel paywise for flying an EMB 175 or equivalent equipment.

With the added bonus of a training contract and upaid INDOC, I think that Compass management is going to have their hands full staffing the airline in the current hiring environment.

 

[DoinTime]

Hi!

NWA is offering Compass captain to at least some of their furloughed pilots. I have read that Compass guys get an NWA seniority number, but I haven't seen anything official.

I am trying to find out details myself.

cliff
SHV

I believe the open items will be arbitrated shortly. My recollection is that any open issues after the end of march would be arbitrated. Considering the bulk of the language that has been adopted is straight out of the current PCL contract those guys got their work cut out for them.