US Airways looking at 787's

[AA717driver]

I'm sure Boeing would LOVE to sell as many airplanes as they can to Delta or any other carrier just out of Ch.11. The lease rates will be three times as high as a non-Ch.11 airline.

Banks love that high cash-flow business. TC

 

[Schwanker]

Anyway, Delta is probably ONE OF Boeing's best customers, and a better one than USAir. I have no idea what part of the production line DL or US would be in for the 787, but I would suspect that we would be able to get a better production number, or sooner completion than USAir would. We'll see I guess.

Oh yeah? Well my daddie has a bigger winkie than your daddie!!! Take that!

 

[Hpilot]

what are you smoking these days general? Or did you have an uncomonly hard landing that knocked a screw loose? Doug Parker is a lot of different things to US Air employees but a saint is not one of them. What is truly sad is your undying loyalty to the company which screwed you and your family. Reminds me of a battered wife making excuses for her husband. You arguing with LCC pilots about whose airline is better is like two people in a trailer park fighting over whose double wide has more square footage....lol...

It's tough for the Delta boys though. They're not used to being the butt of jokes. For years they were a step above, strutting through terminals in all their double breasted grandeur. My dream airline was always Alaska(second choice America West) so I never took part in the Legacy worshiping. Probably why I show a total lack of respect for the arrogant Delta pilots on this board.

 

[johnsonrod]

Oh c'mon. You guys take the General far too seriously. I can detect the sarcasm. Quit being so sensitive. We pilots are far better off with two airlines vs. a merged airline - there will be more jobs for us all as these two airlines grow on their own (or until one merges with NWA).

 

[Lampshade]

20 787 plus options, starting in 2011 or A350's are still in the running same numbers but 2013 instead. End of April announcement.

 

[Wiskey Driver]

what are you smoking these days general? Or did you have an uncomonly hard landing that knocked a screw loose? Doug Parker is a lot of different things to US Air employees but a saint is not one of them. What is truly sad is your undying loyalty to the company which screwed you and your family. Reminds me of a battered wife making excuses for her husband. You arguing with LCC pilots about whose airline is better is like two people in a trailer park fighting over whose double wide has more square footage....lol...

Now that was some funny $hit right there. Double wide hahah I love it:laugh:

WD.

 

[Wiskey Driver]

Now we've heard several opinions and many good ones. Now try this on for size. True we are a huge airbus customer and true BA would love to get our business. This puts us in one hell of a great bargining position with airbus. Think of the possibilities, we could get several A330's and new A340's with outstanding rates and maybe other perks thrown into the mix like free maint over several years, or fuel costs, maybe no payments for three years. The possibilities are endless here for us.

General, just so you know SWA is BA's best customer not DAL!! DAL ordered a bunch of shady 80's amd MD90's when they could have ordered TRUE BA equipment...

WD.

 

[General Lee]

Now we've heard several opinions and many good ones. Now try this on for size. True we are a huge airbus customer and true BA would love to get our business. This puts us in one hell of a great bargining position with airbus. Think of the possibilities, we could get several A330's and new A340's with outstanding rates and maybe other perks thrown into the mix like free maint over several years, or fuel costs, maybe no payments for three years. The possibilities are endless here for us.

General, just so you know SWA is BA's best customer not DAL!! DAL ordered a bunch of shady 80's amd MD90's when they could have ordered TRUE BA equipment...

WD.

Thanks for the update. I had no clue that SWA only had Boeing planes. I thought they were all airbus aircraft..... Hey, gotta question. When Delta now needs a part for one of our MD88s or MD90s, who should they call? Ghostbusters? That is what I thought. You are a genius. We are one of their BEST customers, and we will be ordering a lot more from them soon. I hear you MAY get some used A340-500s from Air Canada. Did you know that Singapore, Thai, and Air Canada are all trying to get rid of theirs? Why would they want to do that? Any reason why they would all want to dump them? Maybe they don't live up to the hype that Airbus stated initially? Makes you wonder, or it should make Parker wonder......Nah, maybe he could get them for a steal.....(just like DL in BK)


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

what are you smoking these days general? Or did you have an uncomonly hard landing that knocked a screw loose? Doug Parker is a lot of different things to US Air employees but a saint is not one of them. What is truly sad is your undying loyalty to the company which screwed you and your family. Reminds me of a battered wife making excuses for her husband. You arguing with LCC pilots about whose airline is better is like two people in a trailer park fighting over whose double wide has more square footage....lol...

Most of your frequent flyers probably live in trailer parks. I bet they had fun flying on Menstral Jet (your old RED 737-200s).

You need to understand something about DL and the management that screwed us over. Most of them are gone. Really. Grinstein told many of them they would not be getting any bonuses and most left or retired. True fact. There are some that will do well no doubt, but overall our management will get a lot less of the new company (3.2%) than other managements (United got 7-8% and NW got almost 5%). Grinstein gave his approx $10 million bonus to a DL charity fund for scholarships and emergency mishaps. He didn't have to do that, and his kids are probably kicking him in the nuts right now, hoping they would inherit that. We are a lot happier now that we were when Leo and the boys (and gal Michele Burns) were running the place. We are also very happy your frat boy Parker isn't in charge.

And in airline circles, our name means good service, and yours means lost luggage. Really, it does, and Parker admitted that when he said he wanted to buy us to bring class to your airline.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[WSurf]

Thanks for the update. I had no clue that SWA only had Boeing planes. I thought they were all airbus aircraft..... Hey, gotta question. When Delta now needs a part for one of our MD88s or MD90s, who should they call? Ghostbusters?
Bye Bye--General Lee

They ain't gonna call Ghostbusters, they are gonna call Bombardier and Embraer to replace those suckers!

 

[sayagain?]

Most of your frequent flyers probably live in trailer parks. I bet they had fun flying on Menstral Jet (your old RED 737-200s).

You need to understand something about DL and the management that screwed us over. Most of them are gone. Really. Grinstein told many of them they would not be getting any bonuses and most left or retired. True fact. There are some that will do well no doubt, but overall our management will get a lot less of the new company (3.2%) than other managements (United got 7-8% and NW got almost 5%). Grinstein gave his approx $10 million bonus to a DL charity fund for scholarships and emergency mishaps. He didn't have to do that, and his kids are probably kicking him in the nuts right now, hoping they would inherit that. We are a lot happier now that we were when Leo and the boys (and gal Michele Burns) were running the place. We are also very happy your frat boy Parker isn't in charge.

And in airline circles, our name means good service, and yours means lost luggage. Really, it does, and Parker admitted that when he said he wanted to buy us to bring class to your airline.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Didn't DL used to fly OLD 737-200 for Delta Express? I thought so. Sure they were in much, much better shape than the Metrojet planes.

And yes, I used to fly to Ghetto-Jet.:laugh:

 

[General Lee]

They ain't gonna call Ghostbusters, they are gonna call Bombardier and Embraer to replace those suckers!

Wow, you got that right there chief. You betcha. We will eventually have 5 787s and the rest all Piedmont EMB 190s and CR9s. You betcha! Keep studying for that FE written, it was totally worth it!


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Didn't DL used to fly OLD 737-200 for Delta Express? I thought so. Sure they were in much, much better shape than the Metrojet planes.

And yes, I used to fly to Ghetto-Jet.:laugh:

They were in better condition, hence we just got rid of them 6 months ago. Menstral jet was jettisoned a long while back and probably scrapped shortly there after.



Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Wiskey Driver]

Thanks for the update. I had no clue that SWA only had Boeing planes. I thought they were all airbus aircraft..... Hey, gotta question. When Delta now needs a part for one of our MD88s or MD90s, who should they call? Ghostbusters? That is what I thought. You are a genius. We are one of their BEST customers, and we will be ordering a lot more from them soon. I hear you MAY get some used A340-500s from Air Canada. Did you know that Singapore, Thai, and Air Canada are all trying to get rid of theirs? Why would they want to do that? Any reason why they would all want to dump them? Maybe they don't live up to the hype that Airbus stated initially? Makes you wonder, or it should make Parker wonder......Nah, maybe he could get them for a steal.....(just like DL in BK)


Bye Bye--General Lee

Wow Gen Gen your pannies too tight again???? I offer some soild "consider this" and you set about tearing me down, WTF. No question the 777 is a better a/c than the A330 and only the 340-600 is in the same ball game. The 500's are an ok aircraft but from what I have heard they are tough on fuel. Now the name of the game here is get in the game and we are making our moves on the international markets.

DL was never a steal but the offer did serve a purpose and let everyone know that this company is for real and have the financial means to make things happen.

Now lets discuss our BK exit, oh wait sorry YOUR bk exit. April 30 and only 2 billion?? there has to be more money somewhere there just has to be.

Tick tock Gen Gen tick tock...

WD.

 

[General Lee]

Wow Gen Gen your pannies too tight again???? I offer some soild "consider this" and you set about tearing me down, WTF. No question the 777 is a better a/c than the A330 and only the 340-600 is in the same ball game. The 500's are an ok aircraft but from what I have heard they are tough on fuel. Now the name of the game here is get in the game and we are making our moves on the international markets.

DL was never a steal but the offer did serve a purpose and let everyone know that this company is for real and have the financial means to make things happen.

Now lets discuss our BK exit, oh wait sorry YOUR bk exit. April 30 and only 2 billion?? there has to be more money somewhere there just has to be.

Tick tock Gen Gen tick tock...

WD.

We will raise additional cash when the new stock is issued. Our debt will be much lower than others, which will help too. You should know this stuff, both of your airlines (US and AWA) were in BK twice. Come on. And those A340-500s will under perform and cause some big headaches. When Singapore tries to get rid of a plane, that should mean something.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Wiskey Driver]

We will raise additional cash when the new stock is issued. Our debt will be much lower than others, which will help too. You should know this stuff, both of your airlines (US and AWA) were in BK twice. Come on. And those A340-500s will under perform and cause some big headaches. When Singapore tries to get rid of a plane, that should mean something.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Gather round everybody the gen gen is getting a history lesson. AWA was in BK ONCE AAA prior to our taking them over was in BK twice but the entire op is making money bro!!! Now I know you want to have a big impact on this forum but again the name of the game is get in the game in the first place.

April 30 and you quote we'll raise the money:laugh: next time your mortage is due call your bank and tell them that you'll raise the money somehow...

Tick tock gen tick tock.

WD.

 

[General Lee]

Great clock noise....

Gather round everybody the gen gen is getting a history lesson. AWA was in BK ONCE AAA prior to our taking them over was in BK twice but the entire op is making money bro!!! Now I know you want to have a big impact on this forum but again the name of the game is get in the game in the first place.

April 30 and you quote we'll raise the money:laugh: next time your mortage is due call your bank and tell them that you'll raise the money somehow...

Tick tock gen tick tock.

WD.

Maybe you need to read this again, but you may think you know more than our CFO.....



Delta Is on Track to Emerge
From Bankruptcy in May
By ANN KEETON
March 27, 2007 12:36 p.m.

CHICAGO -- Delta Air Lines Inc. is on track to emerge from bankruptcy on May 1, expecting to issue new shares in the airline in the first week of May, Ed Bastian, chief financial officer, said during an investor day conference Tuesday.

As is typical in a bankruptcy reorganization, current stock in the airline will become worthless when new shares are issued. To emerge from bankruptcy, the airline's financial plan needs to get approval in April from creditors representing two-thirds of the value of all claims. Mr. Bastian said he sees no problem in getting that approval.

Delta, the third-largest U.S. airline by passenger traffic, has posted annual losses since 2001. The airline said Tuesday that it expects to turn a profit in 2007, with pretax income of $816 million, excluding special and reorganization items.

Revenue per seat mile, a standard industry measure, is expected to grow 4% this year, Delta said, better than the projected 2007 industry growth rate of 1.5%.

So far this year, revenue from international business has been stronger than expected, Mr. Bastian said, which gives Delta the opportunity to generate better-than-expected passenger revenue this year.

Jim Whitehurst, chief operating officer, said Delta's long-term strategy is to increase revenue to equal the industry average, while keeping costs below the average. The airline, which has been challenged on the revenue side, expects to achieve parity with the industry by the end of 2008. Mr. Whitehurst said Delta is planning to improve customer satisfaction, while continuing to cut costs.

As it emerges from bankruptcy, Delta expects to reduce its adjusted net debt to $7.6 billion in 2007 from $17 billion in 2005.

Mr. Bastian said the airline expects to generate $5 billion of free cash in each of the next three years. Top priorities at the airline will be to update its fleet of aircraft, improve facilities in New York -- which is its second-largest hub airport after Atlanta -- and improve operations at its Delta Connections unit, Mr. Bastian said.

In particular, Delta is looking at buying new Boeing 787 aircraft. While Boeing is sold out of that aircraft model for the first few years of production, Mr. Bastian said Delta, as a top customer of Boeing, likely has some wiggle room for acquiring aircraft.

Mr. Bastian said Delta has completed plans for a long-term strategy at JFK International airport in New York City, but the airline "needs to be looking at alternatives" to its current facilities there, as competition heats up from other airlines. Delta's goal is to generate sustained profitability in the New York market, while holding the biggest market share at JFK and LaGuardia airports combined.

Mr. Bastian said Delta is looking at selling some assets, including its Comair regional carrier. Delta is on track for cutting costs, excluding fuel, by 27% since 2003, Mr. Bastian said.

Fuel cost, which averaged $2 a gallon in 2006, is expected to average $2.06 per gallon this year, Delta said. The airline has forecast that fuel will rise 5% per year.

Later this week, the airline expects to announce a board of directors. The board will look for a new chief executive to replace Gerald Grinstein, who has said he will leave the company after it emerges from Chapter 11. (See related article.)

Speaking at the conference Tuesday, Mr. Grinstein said Delta's creditors' committee will choose the 11-member board. At least three current board members will be included in the new group.

Mr. Grinstein has said he would like an internal candidate to succeed him as CEO. Messrs. Bastian and Whitehurst are seen as top contenders for the job. Delta this year fought a hostile takeover by US Airways Group Inc. Mr. Grinstein said he doesn't see airline-industry consolidation happening for a few years. When mergers do occur, Mr. Grinstein said he expects Delta to be an acquirer.



Tick tock....time counting down until we pound USAir. Parker really really wanted to see our books.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Wiskey Driver]

Tick tock....time counting down until we pound USAir. Parker really really wanted to see our books.


Bye Bye--General Lee


:laugh: Keep wishing my man keep wishing! For a moment there I thought you were my old work buddy 737Pylt.

WD.

 

[737 Pylt]

Tick tock....time counting down until we pound USAir. Parker really really wanted to see our books.


Bye Bye--General Lee


:laugh: Keep wishing my man keep wishing! For a moment there I thought you were my old work buddy 737Pylt.

WD.

Dude...
where have you been? The "handyman" work keeping you busy?
737

 

[Wiskey Driver]

Dude...
where have you been? The "handyman" work keeping you busy?
737

I'm never too far away and would have remained silent had it not been for the Gen Gen. I think his thong got on his nerves, but maybe next time he'll wear man drawers instead:laugh: imp: :laugh:

WD.

 

[ableone]

It pains me to write this as it will cause the General much glee.

787s for AAA/HP do not look to be in the cards at this time. Word from on high is that discussions between USAir and Boeing over 787 orders have taken place.

Boeing is apparantly not worried about finding 787 customers. When USAir expressed an intersest in ordering 787s Boeing countered that unless USAir was also interested in a sizable 737NG order Boeing would not discuss 787 production slots.

The ball is now in Tempe's court. What will happen? Your guess is as good as mine.

 

[vetrider]

It pains me to write this as it will cause the General much glee.

787s for AAA/HP do not look to be in the cards at this time. Word from on high is that discussions between USAir and Boeing over 787 orders have taken place.

Boeing is apparantly not worried about finding 787 customers. When USAir expressed an intersest in ordering 787s Boeing countered that unless USAir was also interested in a sizable 737NG order Boeing would not discuss 787 production slots.

The ball is now in Tempe's court. What will happen? Your guess is as good as mine.

Sigh. I think I know what that means. My time on Boeings is borrowed I'm afraid.

 

[Wiskey Driver]

Sigh. I think I know what that means. My time on Boeings is borrowed I'm afraid.

It always was. There is absolutly no way the company would take on a huge NG order unless BA was willing to absorb the massive amount of training costs it would create just to name one item.

WD.

 

[vetrider]

It always was. There is absolutly no way the company would take on a huge NG order unless BA was willing to absorb the massive amount of training costs it would create just to name one item.

WD.

What massive training costs? Put current 737 guys into NGs with a little differences training versus long course for everyone to go onto busses?

 

[737 Pylt]

What massive training costs? Put current 737 guys into NGs with a little differences training versus long course for everyone to go onto busses?

Vet:
Why waste energy on that. You know daquari doug is working on his defense team right now! He's much too busy to give you guys a decent contract!

737

 

[ableone]

What massive training costs? Put current 737 guys into NGs with a little differences training versus long course for everyone to go onto busses?

The combined AAA/HP 737 fleet is between 120-140 aircraft. 737NG training costs are cheaper than the alternative - replacing all of those 737 classics with Airbi and having to put that many pilots through airbus class.

 

[vetrider]

The combined AAA/HP 737 fleet is between 120-140 aircraft. 737NG training costs are cheaper than the alternative - replacing all of those 737 classics with Airbi and having to put that many pilots through airbus class.

That is what I meant, but you put it alot more clearly than I did. I tried to phrase it as a rhetorical question to WDs post.

 

[Wiskey Driver]

That is what I meant, but you put it alot more clearly than I did. I tried to phrase it as a rhetorical question to WDs post.

Hmmmm, looking at it from that prospective makes sense. However there is a reason the company is not willing to exercise that option. You did make a very good point though.

WD.

 

[FDJ2]

The ball is now in Tempe's court. What will happen? Your guess is as good as mine.

More Airbi. LCC is an Airbus company.

 

[TWA Dude]

Right, like you're an expert. Despite DP telling us in person that he wasn't married to either manufacturer and would happily take a good deal from either or both companies. There's no logical reason for LCC to be an exclusive Airbus customer.