New rules from TSA

[My name is EARL]

We were just told that any crewmember who at the end his/her sequence will now have to walk out of the secure area and walk back in and be screened prior to being allowed/able to commute home.
I am still shaking my head about this one. I do not know how the TSA will know if we did or did not go thru screening again. Just the typical government reaction to a ramper who is not screened to begin with bring guns on a flight.
Has anyone else heard this?

 

[BenderGonzales]

That'll be funny. TSA will meet you at the gate at the end of your trip and escort you out of the secure area... wait outside the bathroom while you pee... wait in line while you grab some chow... wait outside the crew-room while you check your mailbox... <grin> you could have some fun with this one.

 

[ATLDRVR]

So if I have anything that I am not supposed to bring on the airplane I will leave it behind in the crew lounge in the secured area, go get screened, and then come back into the secured are and pick up my stuff. Another intelligent move by the TSA.

Every week I am amazed at the stupidity of the TSA. If they spent as much time and effort looking for the real terrorist as they do trying to fu*k with flight crews the skies would be safe.

 

[Ty Webb]

This is exactly the wrong direction to be going in.

They should have a crew manifest at the checkpoint. Check your ID, let you through. You are on your way to the cockpit anyway . . . . what the hell difference does it make.

Sounds like it's time for ALPA, CAPA and the rest to file a class action lawsuit against the TSA and force them to pull their heads out of their asses and institute some common sense procedures that lighten their workload (and ours) by not having to completely screen crew members that are already going to be sitting in the cockpit anyway.

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[yournextFO]

So if I have anything that I am not supposed to bring on the airplane I will leave it behind in the crew lounge in the secured area, go get screened, and then come back into the secured are and pick up my stuff. Another intelligent move by the TSA.

Every week I am amazed at the stupidity of the TSA. If they spent as much time and effort looking for the real terrorist as they do trying to fu*k with flight crews the skies would be safe.

Never fear, it's against the policy to leave any personal objects in the secure area while you report for mandatory post-flight screening. You see, this way if they find something, they can prosecute you for having brought it into the sterile area, a much greater offense than just attempting to bring it in...

Honestly, this has got to be the greatest load of CRAP to ever come out of TSA...face it, they hate pilots!

 

[DairyAir]

Sux to be a commuter!!!!!!

 

[Ex737Driver]

While FEDEX requires this of all their pilots when they finish a pairing and deadhead home, I don't see how the TSA could ever hope to accomplish this at each and every passenger airport in the US. Simply not enough screeners. Any proof for this rumor?

 

[Captzaahlie]

We were just told that any crewmember who at the end his/her sequence will now have to walk out of the secure area and walk back in and be screened prior to being allowed/able to commute home.
I am still shaking my head about this one. I do not know how the TSA will know if we did or did not go thru screening again. Just the typical government reaction to a ramper who is not screened to begin with bring guns on a flight.
Has anyone else heard this?

I know most of you have already seen this but just in case you missed it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykzqFz_nHZE

Please say this new rule is just another SNL thing because it won't fly for long.......

 

[John Pennekamp]

While FEDEX requires this of all their pilots when they finish a pairing and deadhead home, I don't see how the TSA could ever hope to accomplish this at each and every passenger airport in the US. Simply not enough screeners. Any proof for this rumor?

There is a Security Directive out there. It's true.

It's all about TSA job security. Just think, all of those Thousands Standing Around now have some fresh meat. This will increase traffic through the checkpoints by at least 25%. More TSA jobs, more TSA promitions!

 

[elag777]

From what I have seen it is a return to random screening at the gate again. I have not seen anything referencing a requirement to be re screened once behind the sterile area, (i.e. commuting crew members). It also includes cabin inspections concentrating on the lavatories especially. This will not occur on through flights with passengers still on board.
There is a chance a commuting crew member may be selected at the gate for additional screening. I am not sure if CASS has any baring on this, as I remember commuting off line resulted in being a "selectee" in years gone by. I will try to clarify.

 

[ATLDRVR]

I will make sure when I have to go through screening I have lots of change which hopefully I will not drop all over the floor and have to take my time to pick it up, always forget to remove my laptop, make sure I request a screening out of public view, and whatever else I can come up with that will make the TSAs job harder.

 

[MD80DRVR]

Every pilot in uniform that gets harrassed by this new directive should immediately insist on seeing a TSA supervisor. Insist that the guy checking you could be anyone and you want to verify his credentials before he's allowed to check you. Afterall, he's in a uniform with an I.D. and so are you. Who checked him??? This B.S. has got to stop. The C.A.S.S. system is pretty fool proof and the TSA knows it, yet they continue to harrass us with their G.E.D. militia.:angryfire

 

[goahead]

Toothpaste Stealing Asholes

 

[anewunion]

It's all about the FFDO

 

[DiamondZ]

Happened in DEN

I was commuting home thru DEN on Mon. Went thru screening with STBY ticket. Went to the first flight, which was full. Went to next flight, different airline, and the gate agent put me on stby for the flight and then she said she had to call TSA. I was kinda confused why she was calling. I told her I was jumpseating and that I went thru screening, attempted to jump on another airline and that I had a stby ticket from the previous airline. She called back to TSA and told them that I was already screened.

 

[Captzaahlie]

I will make sure when I have to go through screening I have lots of change which hopefully I will not drop all over the floor and have to take my time to pick it up, always forget to remove my laptop, make sure I request a screening out of public view, and whatever else I can come up with that will make the TSAs job harder.

I just know I'm going to be 3 people behind you in line too!

Not to worry though I'll try follow your lead with a straight face and drop my stuff every where too, cause there's always another flight......

Have you watched how disorganized people are in those security lines...(not just the TSA)?
Some people couldn't multi-task to save their lives..............

 

[yournextFO]

I was commuting home thru DEN on Mon. Went thru screening with STBY ticket. Went to the first flight, which was full. Went to next flight, different airline, and the gate agent put me on stby for the flight and then she said she had to call TSA. I was kinda confused why she was calling. I told her I was jumpseating and that I went thru screening, attempted to jump on another airline and that I had a stby ticket from the previous airline. She called back to TSA and told them that I was already screened.

Let them come out...we should all do this and make TSA come to the gate to individually screen each and every employee riding in back...talk about a colossal cluster!

 

[John Pennekamp]

Just comply, and waste as much time at the checkpoint as possible. Don't take anything off. Fumble with your cellphone. Make them search you and wand you. The more we jam up the checkpoints, the faster this stupid rule will be changed!

It's time we pilots grow a set, and practice a little CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE at the checkpoint!!!!

 

[Ex737Driver]

Just comply, and waste as much time at the checkpoint as possible. Don't take anything off. Fumble with your cellphone. Make them search you and wand you. The more we jam up the checkpoints, the faster this stupid rule will be changed!

It's time we pilots grow a set, and practice a little CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE at the checkpoint!!!!

Interesting idea.............I wonder if ALPA, APA, and other unions could be brought on board with this idea. Not just for the rumor in this post but sort of a civil disobedience against the TSA for screening the folks for tweezers that have the flight controls in their hands.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Interesting idea.............I wonder if ALPA, APA, and other unions could be brought on board with this idea. Not just for the rumor in this post but sort of a civil disobedience against the TSA for screening the folks for tweezers that have the flight controls in their hands.

It's time. If we as an industry don't stand together and put an end to this stupid abuse by our government, it will never end.

 

[spacecadet1]

Don't worry; just about the time they rescind this nonsense, some terrorist will launch a SAM at an airliner in the US and we will all be collecting unemployment watching Jerry Springer (or Oprah).

 

[spacecadet1]

If they are going to search your bags, make sure they search them in plain sight of everyone. And be sure to put a lot of nasty porn on the top of your clothes.

 

[737 Pylt]

Just comply, and waste as much time at the checkpoint as possible. Don't take anything off. Fumble with your cellphone. Make them search you and wand you. The more we jam up the checkpoints, the faster this stupid rule will be changed!

Yeah, show your maturity, act like a complete ass! We all know you're got at acting like an ass peniskramp, now, just prove it to the traveling public!

It's time we pilots grow a set, and practice a little CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE at the checkpoint!!!!

Wow, and to think you actually hold an ATP. While you're at it, just curse out the TSA folks in order to practice your civil disobedience, and make yourself look even moronic, if that's possible! Thanks for proving the point that the professionalism you display is just down right pathetic!


737

 

[spacecadet1]

737 Pylt,
Sorry, got to disagree with you on this. I don't know how long you have been in this business, but you've probably been here long enough to see how far things have deteriorated in this "profession" along with all the nonsense we put up with. It just keeps getting worse. I can really see it in the frustration of many of the Ca's I fly with. I guess many just get fed up enough to quit. Frankly I'm close to that point. The only people left will be those willing to work for less than a typical sanitation worker. Maybe that's the kind of person this "profession" deserves. Until we collectively as a group do something to stop this nonsense, it will only get worse. Sorry for the rant.

 

[airbus_jas]

Folks:

We're still ignoring one fact here. The rampers, still do not go through security at major hubs. Not one of them!

According to (the sometimes nutzo) Mary Schiavo, these are the most important employees to screen. Without being condescending, I assume this is due to their socioeconomic susceptibility to bribery and scams.

Either way....WHY ARE WE BEING HARRASSED AND RAMPERS ARE STILL GOING TO WORK THROUGH AN UNMONITORED DOOR?

 

[Powda5]

I am commuting tomorrow. I have to get a ticket to go thru TSA? I have no guidance on this whatsoever.

 

[BigMeat]

Just play stupid. I dont even have to try!

 

[HighSpeedClimb]

TSA Caught in the Cookie Jar...

The Los Angeles City Attorney has just filed criminal charges against a T.S.A. employee at Los Angeles International Airport, alleging that he took a high-priced watch out of Paris Hilton's luggage.

It happened last year with a baggage screener at British Airways. The employee allegedly took a watch worth several thousand dollars out of one of Paris' carry-on bags.

In addition to that employee, the City Attorney is filing charges against seven other T.S.A. employees, alleging they did similar things to other passengers.

 

[dpilot83]

I assume this is due to their socioeconomic susceptibility to bribery and scams.

lol...now that was very politically correct...made my day.

 

[CatfishVT9]

Just comply, and waste as much time at the checkpoint as possible. Don't take anything off. Fumble with your cellphone. Make them search you and wand you. The more we jam up the checkpoints, the faster this stupid rule will be changed!

It's time we pilots grow a set, and practice a little CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE at the checkpoint!!!!

You'd probably do better to explain to the folks behind you in line how TSA keeps them safe by double screening pilots while the rampers and burger flippers are not screened. If THEY write their Congressman or Senator that would carry more weight.

That is once Congress finishes their high priority business of investigating why those poor 8 friggin lawyers were so wrongfully terminated.....