New rules from TSA

[spacecadet1]

Don't worry; just about the time they rescind this nonsense, some terrorist will launch a SAM at an airliner in the US and we will all be collecting unemployment watching Jerry Springer (or Oprah).

 

[spacecadet1]

If they are going to search your bags, make sure they search them in plain sight of everyone. And be sure to put a lot of nasty porn on the top of your clothes.

 

[737 Pylt]

Just comply, and waste as much time at the checkpoint as possible. Don't take anything off. Fumble with your cellphone. Make them search you and wand you. The more we jam up the checkpoints, the faster this stupid rule will be changed!

Yeah, show your maturity, act like a complete ass! We all know you're got at acting like an ass peniskramp, now, just prove it to the traveling public!

It's time we pilots grow a set, and practice a little CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE at the checkpoint!!!!

Wow, and to think you actually hold an ATP. While you're at it, just curse out the TSA folks in order to practice your civil disobedience, and make yourself look even moronic, if that's possible! Thanks for proving the point that the professionalism you display is just down right pathetic!


737

 

[spacecadet1]

737 Pylt,
Sorry, got to disagree with you on this. I don't know how long you have been in this business, but you've probably been here long enough to see how far things have deteriorated in this "profession" along with all the nonsense we put up with. It just keeps getting worse. I can really see it in the frustration of many of the Ca's I fly with. I guess many just get fed up enough to quit. Frankly I'm close to that point. The only people left will be those willing to work for less than a typical sanitation worker. Maybe that's the kind of person this "profession" deserves. Until we collectively as a group do something to stop this nonsense, it will only get worse. Sorry for the rant.

 

[airbus_jas]

Folks:

We're still ignoring one fact here. The rampers, still do not go through security at major hubs. Not one of them!

According to (the sometimes nutzo) Mary Schiavo, these are the most important employees to screen. Without being condescending, I assume this is due to their socioeconomic susceptibility to bribery and scams.

Either way....WHY ARE WE BEING HARRASSED AND RAMPERS ARE STILL GOING TO WORK THROUGH AN UNMONITORED DOOR?

 

[Powda5]

I am commuting tomorrow. I have to get a ticket to go thru TSA? I have no guidance on this whatsoever.

 

[BigMeat]

Just play stupid. I dont even have to try!

 

[HighSpeedClimb]

TSA Caught in the Cookie Jar...

The Los Angeles City Attorney has just filed criminal charges against a T.S.A. employee at Los Angeles International Airport, alleging that he took a high-priced watch out of Paris Hilton's luggage.

It happened last year with a baggage screener at British Airways. The employee allegedly took a watch worth several thousand dollars out of one of Paris' carry-on bags.

In addition to that employee, the City Attorney is filing charges against seven other T.S.A. employees, alleging they did similar things to other passengers.

 

[dpilot83]

I assume this is due to their socioeconomic susceptibility to bribery and scams.

lol...now that was very politically correct...made my day.

 

[CatfishVT9]

Just comply, and waste as much time at the checkpoint as possible. Don't take anything off. Fumble with your cellphone. Make them search you and wand you. The more we jam up the checkpoints, the faster this stupid rule will be changed!

It's time we pilots grow a set, and practice a little CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE at the checkpoint!!!!

You'd probably do better to explain to the folks behind you in line how TSA keeps them safe by double screening pilots while the rampers and burger flippers are not screened. If THEY write their Congressman or Senator that would carry more weight.

That is once Congress finishes their high priority business of investigating why those poor 8 friggin lawyers were so wrongfully terminated.....

 

[737 Pylt]

737 Pylt,
Sorry, got to disagree with you on this. I don't know how long you have been in this business, but you've probably been here long enough to see how far things have deteriorated in this "profession" along with all the nonsense we put up with. It just keeps getting worse. I can really see it in the frustration of many of the Ca's I fly with. I guess many just get fed up enough to quit. Frankly I'm close to that point. The only people left will be those willing to work for less than a typical sanitation worker. Maybe that's the kind of person this "profession" deserves. Until we collectively as a group do something to stop this nonsense, it will only get worse. Sorry for the rant.

Its ok to disagree....But to act like a complete ass in public is just wrong.
Just ask to speak w/ a supervisor. Johnny P is good at making an ass out of himself on this board. No need to do it in public.
Has anyone seen the latest publications from ALPA? The TSA did not even consult with them before putting these BS procedures in place. I know that our union is working right now to rectify this!

737

 

[SWA GUY]

Just comply, and waste as much time at the checkpoint as possible. Don't take anything off. Fumble with your cellphone. Make them search you and wand you. The more we jam up the checkpoints, the faster this stupid rule will be changed!

It's time we pilots grow a set, and practice a little CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE at the checkpoint!!!!

Jam up the checkpoints, piss off the pax(who pay our salaries), and end up with less travelling public. That's a good idea?

How about this: Call your union and get a grass roots effort going to get them involved with the TSA descision making process. Tell your union that you/we are not going to let the TSA run roughshod over us and make rediculous rules everytime they get a knee-jerk reaction. I just talked to my Union/Association Prez about this very thing.

Currently SWAPA and APA are working on a biometric solution for the crews, and it seems to be getting traction. ALPA is working on the National ID thing which seems to be stalled. We need to all get together on this thing, one way or another.

I hope everyone calls their Union leadership and their Congressman and raises h*ll about this. The alternative is to complain on message boards, and we know where that'll get us.

Good luck!

 

[Occam's Razor]

Currently SWAPA and APA are working on a biometric solution for the crews, and it seems to be getting traction. ALPA is working on the National ID thing which seems to be stalled. We need to all get together on this thing, one way or another.

The biometric TWIC was approved by both the FAA and the GAO years ago! ALPA (Duane Woerth) shepherded it though both agencies. DHS and TSA shot it down because it wasn't their project, and they wanted to do their own "study" on the issue.

On the backside, the airlines opposed the approved TWIC plan because it required them to pay for the cards and the readers/monitors at the airports.

 

[CVG72]

Currently SWAPA and APA are working on a biometric solution for the crews, and it seems to be getting traction. ALPA is working on the National ID thing which seems to be stalled. We need to all get together on this thing, one way or another. quote]

I just signed up for CLEAR in cincinnati. They took a picture of my iris and my finger prints. why wouldn't that work for pilots? If it works for the passengers... I know the cutoms in canada have stations like that. I know the CLEAR thing is new, and not sure how it would work, but maybe they could have a station for pilots?

 

[AA717driver]

CLEAR is a great idea. It's NOT a public service. The airlines will balk at anything that makes our lives easier and costs them money.

Maybe go about it by being extra polite and (only while clearing security to operate a flight, not commute) make sure you let as many people go ahead of you as possible--schedule be d@mned.

"Sorry, I got held up in security." TC

 

[CVG72]

CLEAR is a great idea. It's NOT a public service. The airlines will balk at anything that makes our lives easier and costs them money.

I am paying 99$ a year for this. couldn't the airline pay that for their employees? I know it's not their responsibility but gee it seems some much easier. Your airline will NOT save money once you guys start missing flights and they start needing more reserve guys for that... Integrating that with CASS and have a special station for pilots in each concourse, doesn't seem that hard to me. Now taking the bus and the train back to security to just re enter after waiting in line, that's really stupid. wonder if they thought of that...

I am still wondering how CLEAR works. With my biometrics, how do they now I am not a terrorist? I know they do background check but still... I haven't received the card yet...

 

[SkiFishFly]

I think the real answer is that everyone who is inside of the "sterile" area at any airport (this includes rampers, fast food workers, gate agents, crew...) has to go through screening to get into the "sterile" area.
No more "side enntrances" or whatever else. Close all the "loopholes" at all airports. This is what TSA needs to do.
We would not have any additional screening requirements just to catch a ride home after working all day. No one can get inside the "secure area" without their person and bags having been screened. This way no additional or "special" screening required.
I agree with the post that unions need to join together and start "helping" TSA come up with the right answers.

 

[My name is EARL]

I think that is what the tsa wanted to do. If you read the sd it says employees in the sterile area must be screened prior to traveling on a flight. It does not say you must be re screened, but that is the offical position of my company. By the way I commuted home the other day and no one knew about the sd.
ALPA did say they or anyother union were asked about this prior.

 

[Lear70]

I think that is what the tsa wanted to do. If you read the sd it says employees in the sterile area must be screened prior to traveling on a flight. It does not say you must be re screened, but that is the offical position of my company. By the way I commuted home the other day and no one knew about the sd.
ALPA did say they or anyother union were asked about this prior.

Agreed. This was supposed to be for EVERY employee who is going to TRAVEL.

Unfortunately, that doesn't help the guys who work together, one person clears security to travel, his buddy gets the stuff into the SIDA, they meet up and voila, the secured guy is now carrying contraband.

Really stupid loophole. Close them all, or leave them alone.

BRILLIANT!

 

[Dizel8]

If we can be entrusted to drive the jet, then there is no need for a security screening.

IMHO, the whole system wrt. aircrew screening is a joke. Run all flightcrews through the same background check as the FFDOs and I honestly doubt it is much different than the one we all underwent shortly after 9/11. Issue them a security card stating such, done deal.

I understand the intent of the TSA, but I sure am tired of the whole show.
We are either trusted or they need to shut down the air transport system all together!