Airtran pay while in training?

[LetsGoBuffs]

FWIW, I was at Indy as well. Quite frankly, I am very happy to be at Airtran. While I do believe there is much that can be improved upon, Im very happy to be here.

That may have a lot to do with being on the ground for 5 and a half months last year, then having to take a job at American Eagle just to keep current. BTW, they paid 75 hours and 16 hours per diem along with a hotel room during training. Not bad. Of course, that was at $23 and change an hour.....

Im very happy to be at Airtran. The people that I have flown with have been great. I like the 717. Are there things to be improved upon? Sure. They have been stated earlier. I hope they will be addressed in the new contract.

I was at $66.44 at year two pay (right seat) on the airbus at FlyI. It will take me 4 years here to make that pay rate in the right seat at Airtran (I think). Plus, I dont buy into the "upgrade to capt in 2 1/2 years" talk. If it happens, great! Im planning on 5 years. Like i said, FWIW....

 

[jimcav]

FWIW, I was at Indy as well. Quite frankly, I am very happy to be at Airtran. While I do believe there is much that can be improved upon, Im very happy to be here.

That may have a lot to do with being on the ground for 5 and a half months last year, then having to take a job at American Eagle just to keep current. BTW, they paid 75 hours and 16 hours per diem along with a hotel room during training. Not bad. Of course, that was at $23 and change an hour.....

Im very happy to be at Airtran. The people that I have flown with have been great. I like the 717. Are there things to be improved upon? Sure. They have been stated earlier. I hope they will be addressed in the new contract.

I was at $66.44 at year two pay (right seat) on the airbus at FlyI. It will take me 4 years here to make that pay rate in the right seat at Airtran (I think). Plus, I dont buy into the "upgrade to capt in 2 1/2 years" talk. If it happens, great! Im planning on 5 years. Like i said, FWIW....

Hopefully fo pay is going up a lot. I'm sure it will since so many have left.

 

[j41driver]

How about both?

Absolutely. I'd preference the $$ before effective date if I had to choose one though.

 

[FL_Jumpseat]

You can hope for more B fund contribution, but we need to start working on getting the ROTH 401k for everyone. Ask anyone who has saved and invested for retirement whether or not their tax bill is lower or higher in retirement and I think you'll find them paying more than they did when they were working.

Hopefully with the new contract it will go up, just like everything else will.

 

[j41driver]

I was at $66.44 at year two pay (right seat) on the airbus at FlyI. It will take me 4 years here to make that pay rate in the right seat at Airtran (I think).

That's good except that all 319 FO's regardless of company seniority were put on 2nd year pay at first. I was on 6 year pay when the first Airbus showed up and I could never hold it. So in reality you were on 6+ year pay on the Airbus.

 

[LetsGoBuffs]

That's good except that all 319 FO's regardless of company seniority were put on 2nd year pay at first. I was on 6 year pay when the first Airbus showed up and I could never hold it. So in reality you were on 6+ year pay on the Airbus.

Well, I was a July 1999 hire at ACA. I was left seat in the 41 till we went to Flyi. Went left seat in the CRJ in June of '04. I got displaced into the right seat of the Airbus in the spring of '05.

So, you were senior to me. How is it that you could not hold the Bus as an FO? My ex-roommate was in your area. He got FO on the Bus on the first go....?

 

[CHQ Pilot]

I have never worked for a company that paid for hotel during in base training, what did you make as a new hire F/O? I doubt it was 42 per hour, if you do the math its probably a wash.

I'll agree that starting at 42 an hour is fairly good, but can't they at least spring for the hotel in training? Even double occupancy would be better than nothing. I would think they could negotiate a decent rate at a local hotel with as much training as they are doing. I'll admit I don't know much about AAI so maybe I'm missing something.

 

[Ty Webb]

I was at $66.44 at year two pay (right seat) on the airbus at FlyI. It will take me 4 years here to make that pay rate in the right seat at Airtran...

Are you out of your mind? How many years were you really at ACA/Indy to be "in the bus at year two pay"? 6 years?

Are you really using that as a comparison? Who was your math teacher . . . the Indy Air CFO?


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[Lear70]

I'll agree that starting at 42 an hour is fairly good, but can't they at least spring for the hotel in training? Even double occupancy would be better than nothing. I would think they could negotiate a decent rate at a local hotel with as much training as they are doing. I'll admit I don't know much about AAI so maybe I'm missing something.

I'd rather have a single room in a crashpad at $250 a month out of my own pocket than double occupancy hotel.

I'm not a college kid that needs a roommate...

That said, I've worked 2 places that gave us a hotel room plus pay, 2 that didn't. Would be great to have, but I'd much rather have a 15-20% pay raise.

 

[likeitis]

My response was more out of disdain for the poster than anything else. I've been around here a few years and seen the good and the bad. That said I like it here. A LOT of things need fixing but there are places that are much worse. This guy comes out of the woodwork on all AT threads and is always negative. If he works for us I don't want to be around him. I guess that makes me a kool-aid drinking simpleton.

If that is true then I apoligize. I guess I haven't notice him/her.

 

[LetsGoBuffs]

Are you out of your mind? How many years were you really at ACA/Indy to be "in the bus at year two pay"? 6 years?

Are you really using that as a comparison? Who was your math teacher . . . the Indy Air CFO?

Sorry Ty but, I dont understand the point you are trying to make here.

As I posted above, I was a July 1999 hire. I was displaced into the AB in the spring of '05. As per our contract, when one went to the AB they started at year 2 pay regardless of time on property.

Year two pay was $66.44. Year two pay at Airtran is $55 and change. Had FlyI survived, a person hired into the AB was going to make $66.44 in year two.

Ty, im not looking for a fight. I like Airtran. Im very happy here. I just dont understand the point you were trying to make.

 

[Rook]

You've obviously never flown for PCL. That entire program was simply "we're reading the book together in class", taught by a line BAGGAGE HANDLER who went through class twice himself and had absolutely ZERO knowledge of the aircraft.

Yeah but we had guys like YOU willing to stay over and fix what that rampie F'd up during our time in the schoolhouse. People, People...Be the duck...

WTF?
:laugh:

 

[CHQ Pilot]

I'd rather have a single room in a crashpad at $250 a month out of my own pocket than double occupancy hotel.

I'm not a college kid that needs a roommate...

That said, I've worked 2 places that gave us a hotel room plus pay, 2 that didn't. Would be great to have, but I'd much rather have a 15-20% pay raise.

Makes sense...like I said, I don't know much about AAI. I thought about the crashpad thing, but it was hard in the past to set something up for short term, so I didn't know if people were doing that. Did you fly for "Longhorn"?

 

[j41driver]

So, you were senior to me. How is it that you could not hold the Bus as an FO?

I was hired in March 2000. I guess I wasn't on 6th year pay until 3/05, which was after the bus showed up I think.

Anyway, my point was that 2nd year pay on the 'bus really wasn't second year pay.

Take it easy....

 

[LetsGoBuffs]

I was hired in March 2000. I guess I wasn't on 6th year pay until 3/05, which was after the bus showed up I think.

Anyway, my point was that 2nd year pay on the 'bus really wasn't second year pay.

Take it easy....

ah, got cha!!! no problem here... :beer:

 

[Lear70]

Makes sense...like I said, I don't know much about AAI. I thought about the crashpad thing, but it was hard in the past to set something up for short term, so I didn't know if people were doing that. Did you fly for "Longhorn"?

HELL YEAH! Longhorn was a great gig, right up to where the Postal Service took over the golden egg.

There's a LOT of crashpads around in ATL, many of them close to the training center are nasty, Virginia Ave, keep a gun with you kinds of places. However, if you're willing to drive 15-20 minutes each every day, you can get into some nicer new neighborhoods that people have bought nice houses for crashpads, some of which are even single rooms for the $250 to $300 range which is what I did after 2 weeks in a roach coach on V Ave.

Yeah but we had guys like YOU willing to stay over and fix what that rampie F'd up during our time in the schoolhouse. People, People...Be the duck...

WTF?

I don't know either... There's no telling what he meant, and I'm just glad they finally replaced him with some pilots and mechanics, even though those weren't much better.

Are you SURE you still don't want to work here? Come on, you know you do! I'd write you a rec letter, but... "You don't even KNNOOOOW me!"

Good times!

Seriously, this place ROCKS in comparison! Pay sucks, but hopefully that'll get fixed to where I'll be back where I would have been at PCL if I'd have stayed when negotiations are done... hopefully soon.

It'll HAVE to be soon or the company will miss getting it inked by the April Midwest BOD and I'm guessing like many others that it's the motivation for this big "kindler, gentler negotiating attitude" we've seen emails about the last week.

 

[-9Capt]

If that is true then I apoligize. .

Likeitis, Don't apoligize to him, JimCav is a simpleton. ;-}

 

[UALX727]

JimCav rocks... I have flown with him and he is a good dude.