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anybody know the current pay, days off, upgrade time at IFL? Do they have any JS privledges? call out time?

Thanks
 
If you are asking those questions and trying to go into on demand freight then I wouldn't even bother, there is a big thread about ifl on airlinepilotforums.com under the hiring section.
 
You may get one weekend off a month, 20 minute call out 24/7, upgrades are pretty much nonexitent until you have 1000 in type for the convairs, to get that time it typically takes 3-4 years at the rate they are flying, falcon upgrades are longer because of insurace minimums, no js agreements, I'm not sure of any on-demand places with js agreements except for usa jet and some of the big 747 operators. They are very particular on internal recs, not big about hiring people off the street.
 
dickburns said:
You may get one weekend off a month, 20 minute call out 24/7, upgrades are pretty much nonexitent until you have 1000 in type for the convairs, to get that time it typically takes 3-4 years at the rate they are flying, falcon upgrades are longer because of insurace minimums, no js agreements, I'm not sure of any on-demand places with js agreements except for usa jet and some of the big 747 operators. They are very particular on internal recs, not big about hiring people off the street.
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One of my buds just got hired off the street for the falcon. They are hiring off the street currently.
 
I was flying the caravan for them than moved over to the right seat of the Falcon 20 when they sold the vans. Flew the Falcon for 10 months, they were looking for high time captains off the street for the Falcon, I don't think they've ever upgraded a Falcon copilot yet. They were moving the high time Convair captains to the left seat of the Falcon when I left.
 
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hahaha, i know what you mean jessman, raises who said anything about raises too? That question about how much the convairs are flying could be answered by you. It is true, they just hired a few falcon fo's and convair fo's, off the street, but somewhere down the line they knew somebody somehow, like you said in the other forum your friend that got hired is roommates with one of their 72 drivers. I'm not trying to steer people one way or the other, I got on with low time also, its cool to fly there at first then when its 10 degrees out and your pushing a pallet to the back of a plane, freezing your butt off you start to realize there is no difference sitting right seat in a plane at a regional, a major, or a freight hauler, just alot of bs and paperwork differences, a 20 minute call out, and maybe 2 days off in a row if its slow.
 
They have had a Convair 580 a day into khuf-krfd the past week or so. I am guessing auto parts. The boxes I loaded into it were a joke. Could have put the load onto a Caravan and all the boxes combined were only 500lbs. One of the crews told us that they are hiring 600/20 for FO's.
 
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hahaha, i know what you mean jessman, raises who said anything about raises too? That question about how much the convairs are flying could be answered by you. It is true, they just hired a few falcon fo's and convair fo's, off the street, but somewhere down the line they knew somebody somehow, like you said in the other forum your friend that got hired is roommates with one of their 72 drivers. I'm not trying to steer people one way or the other, I got on with low time also, its cool to fly there at first then when its 10 degrees out and your pushing a pallet to the back of a plane, freezing your butt off you start to realize there is no difference sitting right seat in a plane at a regional, a major, or a freight hauler, just alot of bs and paperwork differences, a 20 minute call out, and maybe 2 days off in a row if its slow.
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Are you currently there? I was thinking about applying for the Convair position as freight is the way I was wanting to go in life. I just can't find much information on the company outside of what little word of mouth I pickup. Is 500-800hrs a year possible?
 
Yeah I'm currently there, on the falcon, I honestly don't know how much they fly, my very good friend flew on the convair here for 7 months last year and left because he wasnt flying, we lost 7 fo's since august, and they just did interviews and hired a bunch of fo's. I was hired in november of 2005 and the next set of interviews that were run were a couple weeks ago, they don't hire often. Do you live in michigan, I would recommend the other freight carrier on the field at ptk, I have a friend there and he is flying probably 85-110 hours a month. If you don't have anything holding you to the ptk area I would say go down to yip and try the companies down there, at kalitta and usa jet you will fly alot more, make more money and get more guaranteed days off a month. If nothing is holding you to michigan there are a ton of other freight haulers around the country where you will get pic faster. Unless you have something personally as to why you want to haul freight I would recommend looking into something else, freight isnt glamorous, it sucks staying up all night and waiting around all day for a few boxes to show up, yeah boxes don't b*tch but freight pilots sure do and it gets very old very fast.
 
if a plane is empty at an airline and scheduled to fly it still goes, you still get the hours, if a freighter is empty it sits, and so do you, which translates into weekends and days off in places you probably don't want to be nor can do anything because you are sitting there waiting for a trip, you can't even predict if any hours are possible in a year there, its the nature of the job.
 
Convairs are acutally flying a bit now. Stress the word NOW. On demand means no guarentee that it will continue.
 
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They have had a Convair 580 a day into khuf-krfd the past week or so. I am guessing auto parts. The boxes I loaded into it were a joke. Could have put the load onto a Caravan and all the boxes combined were only 500lbs. One of the crews told us that they are hiring 600/20 for FO's.
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I was on the other side of that in RFD....i was talking to the same guys i think. However i think the guys getting hired with that low of time have some help on the inside. Either way i hear good things about them, seem to be able to get back home to sleep in your own bed quite a bit more then other on demand companys.
 
A little bird told me that three of IFL's captains left last week for Spirit Airlines, and that they are looking for more pilots ASAP, check climbto350.
 
mins are pretty low for the CV-580.
 
Looks like a good place for someone with low time to gain some experience.
 
You would have to be on crack to come to IFL! Hired two months ago, told I would have to work one weekend a month, riiiiight. They lost one other captain and now we have to beg to get one weekend off a month, and that's not even guaranteed. Go to a regional if you are a low timer. This company has no reservations about lying to you and screwing you at every turn. Hell if you want to fly on-demand Kalitta is prob hiring, I'm seriously considering going back there. At least they honored days off for the most part. I wish I had done more research before making the switch.
 
I guess no one listens to what was previousley posted, its not for everyone thats for sure, just look at the turnover there lately, if they had a clue theyd be doing hard schedules like the smart (know how to hold on to their employees) on demand operators around that area.
 
Raise the bar

No intent to flame or cause a ruckess, but it is about rasing the bar, match us or have trouble finding piltos. The front-page story of the May 16, issue of the Wall Street Journal was “As Pay Falls, Airlines Struggle to Fill Jobs”.

As most other airlines are struggling to fill pilot slots, USA Jet has filled all its pilot classes with quality “New Hires”. Why is USA Jet succeeding when our competitors fail to fill their classes? USA Jet is a great place to start or continue your aviation career, the following are some of the differences that allow us to be successful.

  • Starting pay: USA Jet DA-20 First Officers are paid $34,000/yr from the first day of ground school. This provides a living wage for individuals starting or continuing their career.
  • Benefits: USA Jet offers a full slate of employee benefits, inclusive of medical, prescription drugs, vision, dental, life insurance, short and long term disability, 401K with company matching contributions (100% of first 3% of employee deferrals, plus 50% on the 4 and 5% deferral of income put into the plan, flex spending accounts, vacation/sick/personal time, automotive supplier discounts, credit union membership and tuition reimbursement.
  • Training: USA Jet trains all pilots to Part 121 airline standards, thereby providing a solid background as a professional pilot. Our training is accomplished by documented written procedures; our pilots are trained to function as a member of a two-man crew, and on completion of training are fully prepared to enter line operations. All crewmembers are trained in full motion simulators to company standards. With this background, they are ready to move to the next level whether it be at USA Jet or another career position.
  • Work rules: USA Jet pilot work rules are in writing, we honor and respect days off, a pilot knows in advance what they can expect from the company.
  • Advancement opportunities: A seniority list is maintained thereby allowing pilots when qualified, to plan on moving into the DC-9 First Officer or DA-20 Captain seat. Their seniority assures them they will have the opportunity to bid for an open position.
  • Professional airline environment: 121-style dispatch for all flights, this includes computerized flight plans, and weather. All aircraft are maintained to 121 maintenance standards.
  • The credentials to move on: After working for USA Jet for 4-5 years a pilot has the experience to build an impressive resume that allows them if they so desire, to move forward in their career. USA Jet pilots have gone to FedEx, UPS, Delta Airlines, Net Jets, and a host of other career positions.
Our recruiters are successful in selling the advantages of starting or continuing a career at USA Jet. This gives an almost unlimited collection of potential pilots to screen for openings at USA Jet. It is a pilot’s job market and experienced crewmembers to fill our DC-9 seat would be difficult to find. However the DA-20 First Officer gives us a ready pool of qualified pilots to move into our DC-9. Our recruiting advantages also result in low turnover. The turnover at USA Jet is among the lowest in our sector of the industry; again this keeps qualified pilots in our cockpits. In a time when competitors are missing trips due to a shortage of crews, USA Jet keeps their airplanes moving with highly qualified pilots. Perhaps our competitors could take lessons from our successes.
 
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It depends. when it's busy then they are out all the time, but on the down times you need to have a good book. it's a good company and the people are really cool. but not everyone can handle the lifestyle
 
one co-pilot i met on the road told me it stood for In For Life. as in, no upgrade in sight. i found that pretty funny.:laugh:
 

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