Woops!!

[soarby007]

Cleared for takeoff and I understood to turn left to 190. Tower had apparently instructed to continue straight ahead. I missed the call, but the FO, acknowleged it. FO got busy and didn't notice the turn. There was a loss of separation with someone, whom we identified and had a visual on, and transmitted the visual with with ATC.

Anyway, FSDO is involved at some point. NASA forms are filed. Any idea how this might play out?

 

[G100driver]

Probably both of you getting a Letter of Warning or violation with no certificate action (thanks to NASA).

Sorry, I wish I could be more positive, but the FAA sucks. Do not meet with anyone unless you have lawyer.

Good luck.

 

[Swass]

Lawyer up, doesn't hurt to be prepared.

 

[Dep676]

We had a brand new FO get a 5-year on their record for this. The kicker was he was with a check airman. Then the bigger kikcer was the CA and the company threw them under the bus.

 

[tathepilot]

do not, i repeat do not coorespond on paper with the faa, have your attorney do it.. if your not a member of aopa, join today + their legal plan, than the attorney is covered.. if aopa asks when the incident happend tell them there was no incident you just want the coverage... (than call the next day for a referral)

if the faa wants to pursue the incident they will send you a letter asking for you input on the 'loss of seperation', your response is volintary, (but it's a good idea) in their investigation to see if action is deemed necessary..

don't send them anything, get an attorney thru aopa and have him/her take care of it.... a lot can be taken care of with a phone call from your attorney..

i had similar incident over jfk on an airway, they said we turned early, and cut corners on an airway (loss of sep).. it tooks them almost 3 months to contact me because they thought it was an operational error on their part...

they sent me their standard "people in our office are investigation an incident on blah, blah, blah.. i got the letter to an attorney, he made a phone call to the fsdo and wala..

 

[falconpilot]

Cleared for takeoff and I understood to turn left to 190. Tower had apparently instructed to continue straight ahead. I missed the call, but the FO, acknowleged it. FO got busy and didn't notice the turn. There was a loss of separation with someone, whom we identified and had a visual on, and transmitted the visual with with ATC.

Anyway, FSDO is involved at some point. NASA forms are filed. Any idea how this might play out?

What was the FO doing that he was so busy? Not to point fingers man, but sounds like a little CRM recurrent might do the trick...

 

[avmaviator]

What was the FO doing that he was so busy? Not to point fingers man, but sounds like a little CRM recurrent might do the trick...

Warming up the burritos, an important part of the checklist

But seriously, like previous have said, contact a lawyer. The Aopa legal team is a great group of people who do nothing but this kind of stuff.

 

[Tgaug6300]

I was wondering if AOPA leagal would tell him that he is not covered because the incident occured prior to enrolling?

 

[tathepilot]

I was wondering if AOPA leagal would tell him that he is not covered because the incident occured prior to enrolling?

if the incident happend before he enrolled in the coverage it would only cover the initial consul....
but if you got a cool attorney like i did, he would bill aopa anyhow

 

[G100driver]

if the incident happend before he enrolled in the coverage it would only cover the initial consul....
but if you got a cool attorney like i did, he would bill aopa anyhow

WOW an un-ethical attorney! Imagine that.

 

[Hawker800]

Loss of separation automatically triggers the FAA. Lawyer up now. A friend of mine fought the same thing for two years and finally settled on a five day suspension. Not saying that this will happen to you but get ready to do battle. I wish you all the best.

 

[G100driver]

Soar007, where is your employer on this? Are they going to help you out here with your legal expenses?

 

[Say Again Over]

FO got busy? WTF I hope they throw the book at you both.

 

[G100driver]

FO got busy? WTF I hope they throw the book at you both.

$hit happens. You sound like a prince. I am sure that you are loved by all of your F/O's at USAir .... capt. A-hole.

 

[avmaviator]

I was wondering if AOPA leagal would tell him that he is not covered because the incident occured prior to enrolling?

Yeah I agree with you. The first thing they ask when you consult them "When did this incident/accident/citation" occured. Better have a convincing answer for them... or find that unethical attorney, lol

 

[Say Again Over]

$hit happens

Please give me one good excuse for being too busy to listen to the T/O clearance, give me a break.

 

[tathepilot]

Please give me one good excuse for being too busy to listen to the T/O clearance

maybe you had your finger in your fo's *ss you sissy...
you: son, to get ahead in aviation you need to be able to deal with all types of distractions.... now look straight ahead... ahhhh, now how does that feel.. hahaha

your a looser, i should kick your *ss, you sound like an anus sniffer

 

[stupidpilot]

Please give me one good excuse for being too busy to listen to the T/O clearance, give me a break.

What a class A prick. Glad to see you've never made any mistakes! For chrissake we're all human and not perfect. A tough way to learn a lesson but I bet this will make them both better in the future.

 

[wtrav8r]

FO got busy? WTF I hope they throw the book at you both.

Soars is looking for help with this thread, not a "I hope they throw the book at you both.[/quote]"

Think before you post, this could be you tomorrow.

 

[Pattern-Master]

You will probably get a "letter of correction" that stays on your record for 2 years. Does not show up on PRIA, however. Only the FAA can access it. I had the same thing happen.