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Do Colgan Pilots Care If They Get The Q400?
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MarineGrunt
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Captain Morgan
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of course we should care, I do...although i might not be around there long enough to transition onto it, that news was the first and only morale boost i can think of us getting in months...and a slight validation that our hard work has paid off...that aircraft is a step up from the saab in nearly every area, both for the crew and passengers.
any colganicle pilot who doesn't care about it coming online should have their head examined....just thinking about a quieter flightdeck alone, gets me all warm and tingly.
any colganicle pilot who doesn't care about it coming online should have their head examined....just thinking about a quieter flightdeck alone, gets me all warm and tingly.
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Mr Wu
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Newark can sink into the ocean for all I care!
How big would the A bomb have to be to take out philly, Newark, and White Stains in one shot?
I care - any growth is good. Don't care too much for pinnacle's head hancho, but I welcome the growth. ...and lets face it, there will be lots of it.
My only concern is money. If the pay is above industry standard, I'll be happy. I'd be able to build my time and count the days before I take off for greener pastures on a more livable wage.
As for the union, well, I'm torn about it. It is still a regional. Name one example where a union transformed a regional into something other than a regional - $hi7 with a magazine is still $hi7. Again, only concern is money.
My 2 cents.
My only concern is money. If the pay is above industry standard, I'll be happy. I'd be able to build my time and count the days before I take off for greener pastures on a more livable wage.
As for the union, well, I'm torn about it. It is still a regional. Name one example where a union transformed a regional into something other than a regional - $hi7 with a magazine is still $hi7. Again, only concern is money.
My 2 cents.
TNHillbilly
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I want the Q400...growth is good i think. But if you are concerned about money i think that is the wrong thing to be concerned about. get your time then get out and get some money...All i want to some set work rules so I'm not stuck repoing on my last day in the middle of the night.. And quit calling me in the middle of the night scheduling!!!! I've already had 10 beers and I am unable to fly!!!!
WOW. Really?
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TNPILOT
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So what is your point? What does that have to do with getting a union and improving things at Colgan? Are you saying that somehow the XJT pilots and their contract are somehow to blame for the loss of flying? I'd rather go out like Indy than gut my pay and quality of life to somehow "save" contract flying. Why not raise the bar instead of lower it?
msuspartans24
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WOW...haven't heard that one yet, and like TNPILOT said, what does that have to do with XJT's contract?
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Ditto....
Things that are duly obvious to the most casual observer are not within some peoples grasp.....This is called natural selection.....
Oh.....they aren't "following in IND footsteps either....They are BLAZING their own trail trail... Out of the 69 airframes removed from CO's fleet, 44 were XR....the longrange variant. This will be a good Point to point aircraft like ONT to BOI, OMA. Something that the CRJ 200 that Chataqua brought CANNOT do like IAH to MSP, COS and PHX that the XR did well. CO put the 200 on those routes, taking weight penelties that the XR would not have done. Also XJT has started and is doing quite well at is a thing called CHARTER, with XM satellite radio in ever seat back AND they are BOOKED SOLID. Something IND NEVER attempted. 10 airames went to Delta, the ramaining are going to the point to point flying.
Also, CO is INCREASING the number of blockhours flown at XJT.....
But what does all of this have to do with XJT having a good contract....Their GROUP has SPINE....
Oh yea...one last thing PROP....engage brain before speaking out of turn...or at all for that matter..
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You sound like you know what you are talking about. The charter game plan is nothing short of genious. It seems as though the numbers will support the business plan and ultimately keep the planes flying and the pilots employed. I still have a lot of doubts about the point to point flying going against a discount carrier (Soutwest on many of those routes right?).
In the past RJ's fit the bill in a cost plus structure feeding passengers to major hubs. As I understand it the useful mission of the 50 seat RJ is shrinking for two reasons.
#1 Passenger loads continue to rise, bringing larger airplanes (170, 175, CRJ900, 737 stop me when I am wrong....) into the mix to carry the available passengers.
#2 Shorter haul routes are going to be ran on large, quiet, efficient turbo props again. (ARGH!)
I will not doubt that the point to point game plan is better than Indys. In addition I have a bunch of friends at express jet and I wish them and yourself only luck and success. The reality is that I have concerns over the long term profitability of competing in a cost war with a discount carrier.
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PPS Engage spell-check before writing posts. (just kidding)
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Thanks for the compliment..... I was only pointing out at some recent comments that unions do little for a region/major/LCC insert your favorite name Here_____________ type arguement.
I do agree that you don't want to shoot the horse that ride on argument..I Also understand that that the Q300/400 series is they wave of the high fuel prices future. The SAAB 2000 was either 2 years to late...The CRJ 200 beat it to market or 10 years to early, and argument can be made for both.
With XJT tapping the reservation data base at CO it is very easy to follow the money when a huge number of tickets are purchased through online ticket dealer via credit card. Hence a huge data base of "where do people live and where do most of them end up?" type demographics. This is where point to point makes sense.
XJT has renegotiated the leases so low that they only need to sell 17 seats to break even. With Big CAL buying seat on their new branded flying point to point...I doubt it will be anything but $$$$$ in the bank and happy shareholders. They can run a ERJ @ 1500/hr and they are chaterering them in the $5000/hr range......mucho profit...kudos to the MGT team.
Back to the real topic...their MGT team took the high road...didn't shove a $hitty concession down their employees throat...they rolled up their sleeves and took the high road...finding other work. Kodus to MGT again.
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Probably a mixture of both. Its all going to depend on what the payscale is, and how the scheduling / crew basing works out. Once those unknowns are known, the current pilots here will be able to make their descisions on where they want to go. I wouldn't be surprised at all if a good portion of newhires go to the Q
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The Captains going to the Q400 are going to be quite senior, and in my opinion, won't be on it for just a year then bolt. This will make Captain attrition the the Q pretty small, so I don't think upgrade times will be quick initially. But if CAL loves it, wants more, or better yet- our codeshares see what a great niche it fills- and more are ordered, then upgrade could fall.
But to answer the question, yeah I think people are excited about having a new airframe coming to the fleet, but some aren't going to commute to/from EWR just to fly it. If I can hold it one day (left seat), sure I'd take it. There are a couple of FOs already employed who live in the NJ/NY area who would jump at the chance of being based more or less at home.
Upgrade on the SF3 should fall by summer, when a lot of SF3 Captains will begin training on the Q, and their positions have to be back-filled.
Not to start 1000 conspiracy theories, but can any of the Beech guys talk about what they've heard as far as the fate of their bird and to which plane it's pilots will move to?
But to answer the question, yeah I think people are excited about having a new airframe coming to the fleet, but some aren't going to commute to/from EWR just to fly it. If I can hold it one day (left seat), sure I'd take it. There are a couple of FOs already employed who live in the NJ/NY area who would jump at the chance of being based more or less at home.
Upgrade on the SF3 should fall by summer, when a lot of SF3 Captains will begin training on the Q, and their positions have to be back-filled.
Not to start 1000 conspiracy theories, but can any of the Beech guys talk about what they've heard as far as the fate of their bird and to which plane it's pilots will move to?
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The mighty Beech will not dissapear as quickly as people think in my opinion. They now have the financial backing to support three airframes through their transition phase into the Q400. Give the Beech another 11 months or so.
I think Colganites are all pretty excited to see the Q400 come along. Hell, it's a HUGE plane, a serious player performance-wise, and some very new and exciting technology at Colgan, which is a ...../A airline only....VOR-NDB all the way.
It's going to be an interesting year.....
I think Colganites are all pretty excited to see the Q400 come along. Hell, it's a HUGE plane, a serious player performance-wise, and some very new and exciting technology at Colgan, which is a ...../A airline only....VOR-NDB all the way.
It's going to be an interesting year.....
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