Jr. Bases for ASA

[sperfly]

Are new hires still going to LA.

 

[WWEfan]

I think so. Good luck living there on $19/hr.

Talking to a few IP's yesterday they told me that ASA is having difficulty filling new hire classes. It seems that more than 500 hours total is considered "high time" these days. Not that they are having trouble training the people, but ASA just can't attract experienced pilots.

Hmmmmm.....

 

[AMANSWORLD]

Are new hires still going to LA.

Go luck on ASA crap pay. Do not understand why anyone would want to work at ASA.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Talking to a few IP's yesterday they told me that ASA is having difficulty filling new hire classes.

Hmmmmm.....

Sometimes you have to laugh & shake your head. ASA also is short of IP's to do the training, right after they RIF'd 8 guys out of the department during contract negotiations and the 70 seat transfer. Seems like several "unexpected" events have made for a reverse shocker, if you know what I mean:

• Charlie Tutt writes everyone telling them how dismal ASA's future is without concessions.
• Most people figure if ASA's future is dismal, they want their future to be somewhere else and they begin looking for jobs.
• Airlines like to hire other airlines' Instructor Pilots
• and ASA is so short of 70 seat pilots right now that they can not spare any line guys to go into the training department.
• oh - and it takes over a year to fully train an IP. Longer if you want them to be fully Certified for Type Ratings, etc....

In the mean time Continental Express (who is having a tough time of it lately) is still turning in better numbers than SkyWest - who explains their cost shortfall as being related to pilot training costs and maintenance costs associated with the transfer of airplanes. What gives?

Why do airline managers spend more time, resources, and aggravation trying to beat up the productive members of their staff than supporting them with the vision of providing a safe, reliable, on time, and friendly product?

To SkyWest's credit, things have improved in the G.O. from an attitude standpoint. The schedulers are better and most folks return calls to line employees (a huge turn around actually) but still, you can't tell me the transfer of the 70 seat jets is justified when the Company has moved on pay rates, the costs to transfer the airplanes was enormous and now staffing is reaching critical levels. What are we going to do after April when the block hours Delta wants us to perform traditionally go up? February is supposed to be one of the slower months.

Could it be that ASA loses flying to Republic and Mesa simply because we can not staff the operation?

 

[CaptainChris77]

My friend is in class there (started the 12th), 21 people..... all ATL CRJ-200. Good luck

 

[sperfly]

Sometimes you have to laugh & shake your head. ASA also is short of IP's to do the training, right after they RIF'd 8 guys out of the department during contract negotiations and the 70 seat transfer. Seems like several "unexpected" events have made for a reverse shocker, if you know what I mean:

• Charlie Tutt writes everyone telling them how dismal ASA's future is without concessions.
• Most people figure if ASA's future is dismal, they want their future to be somewhere else and they begin looking for jobs.
• Airlines like to hire other airlines' Instructor Pilots
• and ASA is so short of 70 seat pilots right now that they can not spare any line guys to go into the training department.
• oh - and it takes over a year to fully train an IP. Longer if you want them to be fully Certified for Type Ratings, etc....

In the mean time Continental Express (who is having a tough time of it lately) is still turning in better numbers than SkyWest - who explains their cost shortfall as being related to pilot training costs and maintenance costs associated with the transfer of airplanes. What gives?

Why do airline managers spend more time, resources, and aggravation trying to beat up the productive members of their staff than supporting them with the vision of providing a safe, reliable, on time, and friendly product?

To SkyWest's credit, things have improved in the G.O. from an attitude standpoint. The schedulers are better and most folks return calls to line employees (a huge turn around actually) but still, you can't tell me the transfer of the 70 seat jets is justified when the Company has moved on pay rates, the costs to transfer the airplanes was enormous and now staffing is reaching critical levels. What are we going to do after April when the block hours Delta wants us to perform traditionally go up? February is supposed to be one of the slower months.

Could it be that ASA loses flying to Republic and Mesa simply because we can not staff the operation?

Any word on if they are still sending people to LA or not just wondering, and the powers that be should consider changing the name of this board from regionals to the whine and complain board.

 

[sperfly]

My friend is in class there (started the 12th), 21 people..... all ATL CRJ-200. Good luck

Thanks for the input.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Any word on if they are still sending people to LA or not just wondering, and the powers that be should consider changing the name of this board from regionals to the whine and complain board.

You could probably get either base right now and if you got the choice you did not want, you could bid back in a month, or two.

 

[CaptainChris77]

Thanks for the input.

He likes it there.... he left AWAC for ASA to not have to commute anymore. The pay is what it is, he was commuting to PHL for 6 months on RSV here and flew 125 hours in six months, so ASA will at least utilize him or he'll sit at home.... and the over/under block sounds pretty cool too. I think he said there are 3 classes scheduled behind him all approx. 20 people.

 

[Smoke Toliet]

The schedulers are better



What! Are you crazy. You are obviously not on res

 

[Tarzan]

The schedulers are better



What! Are you crazy. You are obviously not on res

They are better to deal with for the most part. You ever worked anywhere else but ASA? There is way worse than what there is at ASA. And yes, I am on reserve.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

There is way worse than what there is at ASA. And yes, I am on reserve.

Like Wendy's?

 

[ParrotheadGTI]

Like Wendy's?

burger king on D might be a little worse..

 

[maddmax10001]

You would be able to get LAX by the end of your training. As of yesterday 1 of 2 who requested LAX got it from my 1-29 newhire class.

 

[AMANSWORLD]

ASA Sucks. Why would anyone want to work here or continue to work here?

 

[Oakum_Boy]

ASA schedules are physically impossible. You'll go into shock and convulse til your head explodes. It's a nightmare- stay away.

 

[Tomct]

:laugh:The best part is they screwed themselves. They closed SLC when they should have left it open....paid out moving money to everyone! Paying a TON of money in SLC for hotels now....again, a HUGE WASTE of money! And now we are flying out of SLC MORE than when we were based there! Even more flying out of SLC in the future. Not counting the growth coming to LAX, then the "Smart Mgmnt Team" threatens to send 700's to Skywst if we don't take a SH!TTY Contract and we tell them to SCERW OFF....now they have airplanes on the way and no way to fill the classes! What a joke. I totally love it!! This mgmnt team could'nt save themselves if they were drowning in 3 feet of water!!!
Oh, but the PILOTS are making TOO MUCH MONEY! What a LOAD OF SH!T!!!!
Time to walk baby....bring on the walking shoes.

 

[CX880]

Why does ASA suck, I was under the impression that they were one of the better regionals out there. As soon as I get the time ASA would probably be one of my top choices because of their LAX base. Hopefully LAX will continue to grow,

 

[crjskipper]

you are going to mostly have complaints on here - who else has the time to log on and write bitchy replys. it is what it is. ive been here over ten years - make more than most guys i know who came into aviation the same time i did and get more days off than anyone not in aviation.

it's a regional - but it is what you make it - i come to work and want to go home as soon as i can - and for the most part i do. my general feeling is - if it is that bad go do something else - the world is filled with jobs that make 40-75 grand a year - the 100K+ ones are hard to find with a grad degree, but no job gives you 75+ with half the month off.

i get frustrated - too many repeating cycles, but for the most part this is a pretty good gig.

 

[sperfly]

you are going to mostly have complaints on here - who else has the time to log on and write bitchy replys. it is what it is. ive been here over ten years - make more than most guys i know who came into aviation the same time i did and get more days off than anyone not in aviation.

it's a regional - but it is what you make it - i come to work and want to go home as soon as i can - and for the most part i do. my general feeling is - if it is that bad go do something else - the world is filled with jobs that make 40-75 grand a year - the 100K+ ones are hard to find with a grad degree, but no job gives you 75+ with half the month off.

i get frustrated - too many repeating cycles, but for the most part this is a pretty good gig.

My original posts was a simple question but it seems everyone justs likes to b!tch. I agree with you, life could be alot worse, you could be one of the 13,000 workers at Chrysler now looking for a job, or perhaps in Iraq or Afganistan getting bombed and shot at. I got out of digging ditchs and loading trucks to fly airplanes and I kind of enjoy it. All you little whiney a$$ B!tches should probably consider getting out of aviation and do something else with your life, and maybe make more room for idiots like me.

 

[Blucher]

you are going to mostly have complaints on here - who else has the time to log on and write bitchy replys.

What an odd reply.

-Blucher

 

[Oakum_Boy]

I got out of digging ditchs and loading trucks to fly airplanes and I kind of enjoy it. All you little whiney a$$ B!tches should probably consider getting out of aviation and do something else with your life, and maybe make more room for idiots like me.

Zero-to-Hero. I guess $19.00/hr a shiny jet and uniform is all it takes.

 

[sperfly]

Zero-to-Hero. I guess $19.00/hr a shiny jet and uniform is all it takes.

So I guess they pay you $19 a year every year for years and years. Last time I checked it nearly doubles your second year but I'm doing this blindly like you must have, and I don't know anything about the job except it is a shiney jet and a spiffy Fcking uniform. Once again there are alot of other professions that pay alot better and you have the right to get one of them. Maybe a used car salesman with a cheap suit and toupee would work for ya.

 

[Sinca3]

you are going to mostly have complaints on here - who else has the time to log on and write bitchy replys. it is what it is. ive been here over ten years - make more than most guys i know who came into aviation the same time i did and get more days off than anyone not in aviation.

it's a regional - but it is what you make it - i come to work and want to go home as soon as i can - and for the most part i do. my general feeling is - if it is that bad go do something else - the world is filled with jobs that make 40-75 grand a year - the 100K+ ones are hard to find with a grad degree, but no job gives you 75+ with half the month off.

i get frustrated - too many repeating cycles, but for the most part this is a pretty good gig.

Although I usually disagree with your post and ideas, I will agree with your sentiments here on one condition. Yes this job all be it at a regional is better than most 9 to 5 jobs out there. We get more days off (although we work on holidays) we get decent pay (although my 22yo fresh out of college neighbors daughter just started as an account making $57,000) and our benefits are great, if you can find the time to use them.
Now the condition that I would like you to consider. Why can't we be better than other airlines?
Why is it we at ASA have to always correct our employeer?
They can't get our pay checks correct, they can't get the 401K in on time, why do I need to do a manual pay sheet again?
Also why is it we have to cover their mistakes, such as poor planning whether its staffing on the ramp or in the cockpits.
Why is it that other regionals have a better working relation with the employee groups that ASA doesn't.
Yes, this job is better than many other type jobs, but it is definately worse than others in the same industry.
Before you just spout of that I should leave if I don't like it
1) I see promise at ASA if our managers could all be shot and replaced with people that actually "GET IT!"
2) I'm trying to get out....

 

[sperfly]

Although I usually disagree with your post and ideas, I will agree with your sentiments here on one condition. Yes this job all be it at a regional is better than most 9 to 5 jobs out there. We get more days off (although we work on holidays) we get decent pay (although my 22yo fresh out of college neighbors daughter just started as an account making $57,000) and our benefits are great, if you can find the time to use them.
Now the condition that I would like you to consider. Why can't we be better than other airlines?
Why is it we at ASA have to always correct our employeer?
They can't get our pay checks correct, they can't get the 401K in on time, why do I need to do a manual pay sheet again?
Also why is it we have to cover their mistakes, such as poor planning whether its staffing on the ramp or in the cockpits.
Why is it that other regionals have a better working relation with the employee groups that ASA doesn't.
Yes, this job is better than many other type jobs, but it is definately worse than others in the same industry.
Before you just spout of that I should leave if I don't like it
1) I see promise at ASA if our managers could all be shot and replaced with people that actually "GET IT!"
2) I'm trying to get out....

Makes sense to me I'll trade you a corporate job for yours and thanks for the answer to my actual question about jr. bases to all that replied to the actual question. As for the rest I will just have to form my on opinion but thanks for yours.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Sucker!

 

[ASApuppy]

Why does ASA suck, I was under the impression that they were one of the better regionals out there. As soon as I get the time ASA would probably be one of my top choices because of their LAX base. Hopefully LAX will continue to grow,

Honestly my friend, if LAX is important to you, I would look at Eagle. Yes they have a really long upgrade right now, but so does ASA. Junior CA at LAX is 6.5 years. LAX is the most senior upgrade for ASA and for the last few months is has actually been shrinking. People are leaving to go to ATL and not being replaced in LAX. I don't know what is going on out there, but I'd be very skeptic about going.

Eagle has a much larger operation at LAX and with AA recovering, the movement will be forecoming. Also, look at Expressjet with their upcoming ONT base. Both of these operations have managements that regard their employees higher than ASA's. ASA has some great people to work with, but most, if not all of us, are pretty miserable with our relationship with management. Most ASA pilots spend more time and energy trying to come up with ideas to screw up the operation than to fix it and make it better. That should ring volumes to you. Good Luck in your career.

 

[sperfly]

Honestly my friend, if LAX is important to you, I would look at Eagle. Yes they have a really long upgrade right now, but so does ASA. Junior CA at LAX is 6.5 years. LAX is the most senior upgrade for ASA and for the last few months is has actually been shrinking. People are leaving to go to ATL and not being replaced in LAX. I don't know what is going on out there, but I'd be very skeptic about going.

Eagle has a much larger operation at LAX and with AA recovering, the movement will be forecoming. Also, look at Expressjet with their upcoming ONT base. Both of these operations have managements that regard their employees higher than ASA's. ASA has some great people to work with, but most, if not all of us, are pretty miserable with our relationship with management. Most ASA pilots spend more time and energy trying to come up with ideas to screw up the operation than to fix it and make it better. That should ring volumes to you. Good Luck in your career.

Actually I want ATL, I'm born and raised here and really don't care about living anywhere else. Which is why I have considered ASA over some of the better looking Regionals. I definitly appreciate the honest inputs from everybody, positive and negative. I have made up my mine to make the switch from part 91 corporate to 121 regardless, and will form my own opinion, and if it stinks the way everyone on here describes then I will take my own advise and find something else. Once again though thanks for the input.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Actually I want ATL, I'm born and raised here and really don't care about living anywhere else. Which is why I have considered ASA over some of the better looking Regionals.

Great Scott. ATL is a train wreck of a city with some of the nastiest people on Earth. (They all work at the airport). Couple that with the disgustingly gross crew lounge and facilities, lousy management, can't get to your airplane without nearly being smashed to death by a tug driven by an ex-con, and you'll be in for a real treat here. Guess living at home is key since you'll be making a poverty-level wage with upgrade running a while.

Save yourself and go to AMR or XJET. Two companies worth commuting or moving for. Good luck.

 

[sperfly]

Actually I want ATL, I'm born and raised here and really don't care about living anywhere else. Which is why I have considered ASA over some of the better looking Regionals.

Great Scott. ATL is a train wreck of a city with some of the nastiest people on Earth. (They all work at the airport). Couple that with the disgustingly gross crew lounge and facilities, lousy management, can't get to your airplane without nearly being smashed to death by a tug driven by an ex-con, and you'll be in for a real treat here. Guess living at home is key since you'll be making a poverty-level wage with upgrade running a while.

Save yourself and go to AMR or XJET. Two companies worth commuting or moving for. Good luck.

Thanks for the advise. I'm looking forward to the poverty level wages and the chance to work for such a great airline. I've visited Houston and really can't imagine a nicer place to live, well I guess Newark and Cleveland would be a close second and third. I'm sure the people in those great citys are just as friendly and hospitible as the good people here in the dirty south. Anyway thanks for the two cents.