NWA jumpseaters

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Is it true that NWA now takes unlimited jumpseaters?

 

[Vingus]

Apparently so, as long as you're not Jetblue.

 

[JAM-BRO]

Is it true that NWA now takes unlimited jumpseaters?

True...The policy changed on Jan 31, 2007. We now have unlimited jumpseats.

 

[Occam's Razor]

Apparently so, as long as you're not Jetblue.

Zing!

Ok...your point is made. We have a couple of renegade captains that are not playing well with others. Last week I had a JetBlue jumpseater onboard from BOS to MSP. He is one of our furloughed guys, with a recall class date here of March 12th.

He tried to get the jumpseat on the first NWA flight out of BOS, but the captain balked because he was "upset at you JetBlue guys". The jumpseater didn't push the point, or identify himself as a furloughed NWA guy. Instead, he caught my flight (the next one) back home to MSP. He rode up front and described the event.

I tracked the captain down and gave him a call. He sounded embarassed when he learned the pilot he slimed was one of our own. As with a few of our guys, he still has some issues, probably related to trying to find someone (or some group) to blame for the spanking we took in the new contract...and JetBlue seems to be a Target of Opportunity.

Got a problem with a NWA pilot regarding the jumpseat? Call the MEC office at (800) NWA ALPA and have them patch you through to Ron Hay, our Jumpseat Committee Chairman. Either he, or Tom Thornton (ProStan Committee Chair) can usually work it out. At this point, we're in the mop-up phase of the battle...trying to coax the guys hiding up in the hills of Guam that the war is over.

 

[Dumb Pilot]

Ok...your point is made. We have a couple of renegade captains that are not playing well with others.

Nah, You think?

 

[Bavarian Chef]

Apparently so, as long as you're not Jetblue.

Or any other airline responsible for the bankruptcy, the snow, Miller High Life, all the pale people in MSP etc etc.

 

[Bavarian Chef]

Zing!

Ok...your point is made. We have a couple of renegade captains that are not playing well with others. Last week I had a JetBlue jumpseater onboard from BOS to MSP. He is one of our furloughed guys, with a recall class date here of March 12th.

He tried to get the jumpseat on the first NWA flight out of BOS, but the captain balked because he was "upset at you JetBlue guys". The jumpseater didn't push the point, or identify himself as a furloughed NWA guy. Instead, he caught my flight (the next one) back home to MSP. He rode up front and described the event.

I tracked the captain down and gave him a call. He sounded embarassed when he learned the pilot he slimed was one of our own. As with a few of our guys, he still has some issues, probably related to trying to find someone (or some group) to blame for the spanking we took in the new contract...and JetBlue seems to be a Target of Opportunity.

Got a problem with a NWA pilot regarding the jumpseat? Call the MEC office at (800) NWA ALPA and have them patch you through to Ron Hay, our Jumpseat Committee Chairman. Either he, or Tom Thornton (ProStan Committee Chair) can usually work it out. At this point, we're in the mop-up phase of the battle...trying to coax the guys hiding up in the hills of Guam that the war is over.

So it's only a mistake, because the jb jumpseater was once one of your own?

 

[ExAF]

Esadmf

So it's only a mistake, because the jb jumpseater was once one of your own?

Get over yourself already. Someone points out that most of the NWA pilots are trying to fix the problem and you sh@t on him for it. The fact that it WAS one of their own just served to magnify how ridiculous the problem is. If that's what it takes for the renegades to see the light then I'm for it. Sh@t on the guys that are the problem, not on the guys actually doing something about it.

 

[Bavarian Chef]

Get over yourself already. Someone points out that most of the NWA pilots are trying to fix the problem and you sh@t on him for it. The fact that it WAS one of their own just served to magnify how ridiculous the problem is. If that's what it takes for the renegades to see the light then I'm for it. Sh@t on the guys that are the problem, not on the guys actually doing something about it.

Not so much old man. Just asked a question, no sh@t in sight. But boy I can bring some if you want?

Besides, me and Occam go way back.

And hell, it's still a valid question for all. I personally pray for a jumpseater war. Then maybe we'll get a union at jb. How's that for irony?

(And no I'm not serious. On which point though?)

 

[Occam's Razor]

Chef,

It was a pilot trying to get home. Period.

My brother-in-cloth had his hackles up about JetBlue pilots, and I indicated to him that many of them are furloughed from other airlines. In this instance specifically, he was acting like a hardass to a pilot that would soon be flying with him!

It was an effort to personalize the situation, not define further divisions. It made no difference if the guy was furloughed NWA or not...but it helped get this captain to understand the problem with being an extremist on jumpseat issues.

 

[IB6 UB9]

Zing!

Ok...your point is made. We have a couple of renegade captains that are not playing well with others. Last week I had a JetBlue jumpseater onboard from BOS to MSP. He is one of our furloughed guys, with a recall class date here of March 12th.

He tried to get the jumpseat on the first NWA flight out of BOS, but the captain balked because he was "upset at you JetBlue guys". The jumpseater didn't push the point, or identify himself as a furloughed NWA guy. Instead, he caught my flight (the next one) back home to MSP. He rode up front and described the event.

I tracked the captain down and gave him a call. He sounded embarassed when he learned the pilot he slimed was one of our own. As with a few of our guys, he still has some issues, probably related to trying to find someone (or some group) to blame for the spanking we took in the new contract...and JetBlue seems to be a Target of Opportunity.

Got a problem with a NWA pilot regarding the jumpseat? Call the MEC office at (800) NWA ALPA and have them patch you through to Ron Hay, our Jumpseat Committee Chairman. Either he, or Tom Thornton (ProStan Committee Chair) can usually work it out. At this point, we're in the mop-up phase of the battle...trying to coax the guys hiding up in the hills of Guam that the war is over.

With all due respect, it is more than just "a couple of renegade captains". We appreciate your efforts though.

 

[737 Pylt]

Not so much old man. Just asked a question, no sh@t in sight. But boy I can bring some if you want?

Besides, me and Occam go way back.

And hell, it's still a valid question for all. I personally pray for a jumpseater war. Then maybe we'll get a union at jb. How's that for irony?

(And no I'm not serious. On which point though?)

Please, please, please, for the love of all things don't start a js war.......A jumpseat war benefits nobody. It is a privilege (sp). I think the JB jumpseater handled the situation great! I'd have done the same thing.
I would personally like to thank JB for their open js policy (although I don't commute). Its because of them that most airlines now have unlimited js!

737

 

[Bavarian Chef]

Please, please, please, for the love of all things don't start a js war.......A jumpseat war benefits nobody. It is a privilege (sp). I think the JB jumpseater handled the situation great! I'd have done the same thing.
I would personally like to thank JB for their open js policy (although I don't commute). Its because of them that most airlines now have unlimited js!

737

I'll say it again because I was so clear before:

"And no I'm not serious. On which point though?"

 

[Bavarian Chef]

Chef,

It was a pilot trying to get home. Period.

My brother-in-cloth had his hackles up about JetBlue pilots, and I indicated to him that many of them are furloughed from other airlines. In this instance specifically, he was acting like a hardass to a pilot that would soon be flying with him!

It was an effort to personalize the situation, not define further divisions. It made no difference if the guy was furloughed NWA or not...but it helped get this captain to understand the problem with being an extremist on jumpseat issues.

An answer I can live with, thanks.

 

[furloughed dude]

When I was working at Jetblue, I hated offline jumpseating. I knew that things that were happening there were lowering the profession. I'm glad I moved on.....

 

[737 Pylt]

I'll say it again because I was so clear before:

"And no I'm not serious. On which point though?"

I hear ya bro, I just don't want to see a js war, nobody benefits but mgmt!
You guys have an awsome js policy, and if it wasn't for you, we wouldn't. I just don't want to see it get all f'd up!

737

 

[Bavarian Chef]

When I was working at Jetblue, I hated offline jumpseating. I knew that things that were happening there were lowering the profession. I'm glad I moved on.....

If you're gonna claim it, you might as well own it and put some airplane types in your profile. Otherwise you're just another 15 year old insurance salesman.

BESIDES -- once we get a union on property, the lowered bar will be legitimized.

 

[ExAF]

Boy? or Old Man?

Not so much old man. Just asked a question, no sh@t in sight. But boy I can bring some if you want?

Besides, me and Occam go way back.

And hell, it's still a valid question for all. I personally pray for a jumpseater war. Then maybe we'll get a union at jb. How's that for irony?

(And no I'm not serious. On which point though?)

Sorry if I misunderstood the tone of the post. It sure didn't come off to me as as "just a question." I thought you were giving Occam (and every other NWA pilot) sh@t when he was the one trying to make some progress in this spat. Most NWA pilots are embarrassed when we hear of these jump seat denials and do everything we can to make sure alljump seaters and non-revs make on the plane each and every time. And while I'm at it, who you calling old man? Then in the next sentence you call me boy. Make up your mind. Judging from your profile, I doubt I'm much, if any, older than you and I haven't been called boy since I grew enough hair on my ass to weave a Persian rug.

 

[Bavarian Chef]

Sorry if I misunderstood the tone of the post. It sure didn't come off to me as as "just a question." I thought you were giving Occam (and every other NWA pilot) sh@t when he was the one trying to make some progress in this spat. Most NWA pilots are embarrassed when we hear of these jump seat denials and do everything we can to make sure alljump seaters and non-revs make on the plane each and every time. And while I'm at it, who you calling old man? Then in the next sentence you call me boy. Make up your mind. Judging from your profile, I doubt I'm much, if any, older than you and I haven't been called boy since I grew enough hair on my ass to weave a Persian rug.

So did you fly an F-4 in MS Flight Simulator than, son? 'Cause eleven years ago makes you old.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-4_Phantom_II

 

[furloughed dude]

Bavarian,

You aren't that gay dude that dates a flight attendent at Jetblue are you? I think he flew F-14s if I remember correctly.

 

[Bavarian Chef]

Bavarian,

You aren't that gay dude that dates a flight attendent at Jetblue are you? I think he flew F-14s if I remember correctly.

No, you mean F/A-18s. The gay dude was a Blue Angel, Admiral's son.

That made me laugh though. My wife knows that I don't date flight attendants. Dating implies sleeping with them more than once.

 

[ExAF]

OK...I'm Old

So did you fly an F-4 in MS Flight Simulator than, son? 'Cause eleven years ago makes you old.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-4_Phantom_II

OK...I'm old. I'll give you that one; however, you may want to check your facts. The Silver Lobos (of which I was a member in the 80s when they were still at George AFB) were still flying the F-4 at Holloman until Dec 2004.
http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?storyID=123009465
I'd submit you are no spring chicken either with the turkey buzzard in your repertoire BOY. I gunned more that a few of them in the F-4 and the F-16. I will admit that I retired from the AF before the navy retired the F-14 though. Cheers Sonny.:beer:

 

[Ninerfan]

Unlimited Jumpseats?

NWA Mainline Folks,

Have the jumpseat sections of your Jepps been changed? I've heard these rumors before and most of the NWA Captains I ask about it look in their Jepp and it still says 2 offline jumpseaters (as of a few weeks ago). Also, has this gone out to the gate agents? There a couple of "challenging" agents in Mem I hope get the word. Any POC I can contact or refer one of the agents to?

Thx.

 

[iaflyer]

from the NWA ALPA site:

https://crewroom.alpa.org/NWAMEC/De...View.aspx?itemid=6599&ModuleId=5044&Tabid=760

Monday, January 29, 2007
In This Hotline:
Unlimited Cabin Jumpseats

The following is an update from MEC Jumpseat & Employee Travel Committee Chairman Ron Hay.
Effective Wednesday Jan. 31, Northwest Airlines will change its jumpseat policy to that of an
“unlimited” one. This means we will be permitted to accommodate as many offline jumpseaters as
there are empty seats in the cabin. If there are empty cabin seats after all passengers are boarded,
including both revenue and non-revenue passengers, then these empty seats can be occupied by as
many jumpseaters as have requested a jumpseat. This policy is in effect for both domestic and
international flights.

The rules for eligibility have not changed; a pilot must still be on our approved list and comply with
all FOM requirements. As always, only CASS approved pilots are permitted to ride in the cockpit.
A company wide FIF will also be issued to inform you of the change to this policy. A completely
rewritten FOM policy will soon be in your mailbox. This change will incorporate the new policy as
well as clarify some common questions.

The carriers that are on our approved jumpseat list have been notified. All of these carriers have
agreed to reciprocate this policy with the exception of one. The one carrier that will not be able to
meet this date for a change is American Airlines. ALPA asks that all American pilots be extended
this new policy on NWA while the issues with their company are worked through.
If you have any questions please contact the MEC Jumpseat & Employee Travel Committee via the
ALPA website or at [email protected] .

 

[PCL_128]

NWA Mainline Folks,

Have the jumpseat sections of your Jepps been changed? I've heard these rumors before and most of the NWA Captains I ask about it look in their Jepp and it still says 2 offline jumpseaters (as of a few weeks ago). Also, has this gone out to the gate agents? There a couple of "challenging" agents in Mem I hope get the word. Any POC I can contact or refer one of the agents to?

Thx.

Just tell them to look at the FIFs at the end of the release paperwork. Supposed to stay in there for a couple of months.

 

[roadrunnerblue]

I hear ya bro, I just don't want to see a js war, nobody benefits but mgmt!
You guys have an awsome js policy, and if it wasn't for you, we wouldn't. I just don't want to see it get all f'd up!

737

Actually Bavarian is correct in his wish for a js-war. I would like to see one too. It would get us a union instantly and this outfit would finally understand that its pilots are indeed the most important asset, not f/a's, gate agents, res. agents etc. etc. The "we are all equal" crap would cease and we would get some respect back.

 

[cessnapilot]

well said

Well said.... I'm sorry for the state of things in the industry, but I think that the majority of us are not pointing fingers at other pilots. I always welcome others who jumpseat on us... I also appreciate the nice treatment that I've had on many other airlines... and I've experienced bad treatment also... there are all kinds out there.

Zing!

Ok...your point is made. We have a couple of renegade captains that are not playing well with others. Last week I had a JetBlue jumpseater onboard from BOS to MSP. He is one of our furloughed guys, with a recall class date here of March 12th.

He tried to get the jumpseat on the first NWA flight out of BOS, but the captain balked because he was "upset at you JetBlue guys". The jumpseater didn't push the point, or identify himself as a furloughed NWA guy. Instead, he caught my flight (the next one) back home to MSP. He rode up front and described the event.

I tracked the captain down and gave him a call. He sounded embarassed when he learned the pilot he slimed was one of our own. As with a few of our guys, he still has some issues, probably related to trying to find someone (or some group) to blame for the spanking we took in the new contract...and JetBlue seems to be a Target of Opportunity.

Got a problem with a NWA pilot regarding the jumpseat? Call the MEC office at (800) NWA ALPA and have them patch you through to Ron Hay, our Jumpseat Committee Chairman. Either he, or Tom Thornton (ProStan Committee Chair) can usually work it out. At this point, we're in the mop-up phase of the battle...trying to coax the guys hiding up in the hills of Guam that the war is over.

 

[SNIZ]

Thx

IAFlyer,

Thanks for the info above, great news.