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bravodude,

What business does a ramper have in the jumpseat during a flight.. Why does the ramper need to know how the procedures in the memo are done. There are ways to teach the rampers what they need to know to complete their duties without putting them in the jumpseat (simulators, pushback in grounded airplanes, classroom etc)

Senerio:

Thunderstom, night, moderate turbulence, full load of PAX, 13th hour of being on duty, last turn of a 4 day trip, approach to CAT 1 minimums, you are about 50 miles out and the engine catches fire. You run your checklist and are setting up for the approach.. Over the marker you are being pelted by HEAVY rain.... you drop the gear and the Ramper in the Jumpseat SCREAMS what was that and begins to cry out of fear for his/her life...... Then just as you are getting ready to kick of the auto-pilot, the ramper VOMITS all over the controls, all over you, and all over instruments... PROJECTILE VOMIT.... you execute missed approach because the distraction from the chunks of the Quiznos sub on your PFD caused you to go full deflection off the localizer... Now you are flying right into a blotch of red orange crap on the radar screen.. but you second guess yourself becasuse that red orange blotch might actually be part of the half digested tomato from the rampers puke stuck to your MFD....

Get the picture?

WTF are you talking about? LOL I hope to god you're not being serious with this babbling! That must be some strong crack rock you're smoking. A dude projectile vomiting because of some mod turb and the 1.3 g's your pulling in your 25 degree bank? WTFO? He's probably asleep drooling in the jumpseat because the poor guy's tired. Help us all and go get some sleep.

Yes, I got the picture unfortunately. It's like a bad portrait from a 3 year old.
 
Didn't a disgruntled ramper shoot and kill both pilots on a PSA flight in California years ago?

Regardless, I'm surprised FAA and Homeland Security signed off on this. Also, aside from security there are legitimate safety concerns-needless to say. These are non-flight certificated employees.

You'd be surprised at what even NASA would sign-off on!
 
Yup, and I'm sure you never thought 9-11 would happen. Have fun in la la land.....you can be the next one going "whoa, didn't see that coming".

You have no idea what I think or believe. However, you can't prevent everything. There will always be crazy people out there that will beat any system you have in place to prevent a certain act from happening. 9/11 is an example of that.

Like I said before, the people who want to harm us are much smarter than we think. I doubt they sit around and read flightinfo and say "Hey guys, I never thought of that." I think you live in la la land if you believe that.
 
You have no idea what I think or believe. However, you can't prevent everything. There will always be crazy people out there that will beat any system you have in place to prevent a certain act from happening. 9/11 is an example of that.

Like I said before, the people who want to harm us are much smarter than we think. I doubt they sit around and read flightinfo and say "Hey guys, I never thought of that." I think you live in la la land if you believe that.

No....I agree I just don't think we should be helping them in any way, shape or form. I am sure they are way ahead of us.....what else do you have to do when you are sitting in sand with nothing to do but pray to Allah and think of ways to kill yourself and infidels?
 

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