Friendly fire incident!

[Dizel8]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070206/ap_on_re_eu/britain_friendly_fire_video

 

[MarineGrunt]

I didnt think there were A-10s in Iraq...

Either way - sh!tty deal for everyone. War sucks.

 

[Huggyu2]

I would guess this was the HUD video from the 1991 Gulf War incident. It should not have been released, me thinks.

 

[ifleyelearz]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,250418,00.html

It took place on March 28, 2003 in Iraq, and there are A-10s in Iraq. I feel bad for both the British soldiers and the pilots.

 

[MarineGrunt]

It took place on March 28, 2003 in Iraq, and there are A-10s in Iraq.

I suppose I should have read a little closer - thought this just happened recently. Are hogs there now? I was over ther a few months back and never did doing A/R with them...

 

[jetjock6]

disregard...

 

[siouxicide]

I've seen the HUD video and I feel terrible for everyone involved, especially since someone decided the public needs to punish these pilots. I think this should be left to the U.S. military and the Brits family. That's it.

 

[Occam's Razor]

I'm not a fan of releasing HUD tapes, but it appears the family of these fallen warriors was not told the true circumstances of their deaths.

I think the family has a right to know if they were killed in a non-combat accident, by enemy fire...or by friendlies.

Two tragedies.

 

[HarryParatestes]

I've seen the HUD video and I feel terrible for everyone involved, especially since someone decided the public needs to punish these pilots. I think this should be left to the U.S. military and the Brits family. That's it.

I disagree. I think the American public should know that the Intell (S2) is not all it is cracked up to be. Heck, look at the intell for the invasion of Iraq. I'm totally behind the troops, just think the planners and top brass are out for themselves.

 

[McGillicutty]

Very sad for both sides. My prayers go out to the families of those killed and the aircrew involved.

 

[RJP]

Sadly, it was A-10s doing the frat this time. I had always held them in a higher category of CAS than F-16s. The porker guys in Afghan that bombed the Canadians were about the most F-d up two-ship I've ever seen. That was a total disgrace. This was more stupidity than boldface arrogance. Either way, they sucked, did it wrong and should have their pee pees slapped accordingly.

Orange missiles? YGTBSM.

 

[Deuce130]

Sadly, it was A-10s doing the frat this time. I had always held them in a higher category of CAS than F-16s. The porker guys in Afghan that bombed the Canadians were about the most F-d up two-ship I've ever seen. That was a total disgrace. This was more stupidity than boldface arrogance. Either way, they sucked, did it wrong and should have their pee pees slapped accordingly.

Orange missiles? YGTBSM.

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[Scrapdog]

Sadly, it was A-10s doing the frat this time. I had always held them in a higher category of CAS than F-16s. The porker guys in Afghan that bombed the Canadians were about the most F-d up two-ship I've ever seen. That was a total disgrace. This was more stupidity than boldface arrogance. Either way, they sucked, did it wrong and should have their pee pees slapped accordingly.

Orange missiles? YGTBSM.

Wow dude, you are f**king pathetic. Nice diatrible on bullsh*t that has absolutely nothing to do with the situation the post is about. OK, we get it clown - you don't like F-16's. WTF does anything about the Canadian incident have to do with this Brit friendly fire incident - not a friggin thing. Go get a life.

On a more heartfelt note - tragic situtation for both the A-10 flyers and the British troops.

 

[RJP]

What does one have to do with the other? First of all, they're both USAF friendly fire on allied troops. Secondly, they're both great examples of AFRC/ANG clowns making poor decisions. How's that for ya? Since you're an ANG F-16 guy, I understand where your angst comes from. However, if you can somehow watch the Afghan HUD tape of the IL ANG guys and say that they didn't screw the pooch at least a half dozen times, you've had more coolaid and weed than most people.

This was an O-5 on the wing of an O-4 who wasn't smart enough to tell his Lt. Col. command post boss that those "Iraqi trucks with orange missiles" might not be a legit target. Can you tell me that you wouldn't think for a moment that "orange missiles" might be the sign that it was friendlies with ORANGE PANELS on their vehicles? C'mon, your blind faith is almost admirable, but either way you look at it, they F-d up.

Common sense says that after all the frat that's happened in Iraq I/II, Bosnia, Kosovo and Afghanistan, the word "ORANGE" would make the hair on lead's neck stand up and he'd take his time to find out if those were friendlies with orange panels rather than worrying about strafing them before they were bingo.

Next time you get deployed to OEF or whatever and you see this color....maybe you'll think about it.

 

[Scrapdog]

What does one have to do with the other? First of all, they're both USAF friendly fire on allied troops. Secondly, they're both great examples of AFRC/ANG clowns making poor decisions. How's that for ya? Since you're an ANG F-16 guy, I understand where your angst comes from. However, if you can somehow watch the Afghan HUD tape of the IL ANG guys and say that they didn't screw the pooch at least a half dozen times, you've had more coolaid and weed than most people.

This was an O-5 on the wing of an O-4 who wasn't smart enough to tell his Lt. Col. command post boss that those "Iraqi trucks with orange missiles" might not be a legit target. Can you tell me that you wouldn't think for a moment that "orange missiles" might be the sign that it was friendlies with ORANGE PANELS on their vehicles? C'mon, your blind faith is almost admirable, but either way you look at it, they F-d up.

Common sense says that after all the frat that's happened in Iraq I/II, Bosnia, Kosovo and Afghanistan, the word "ORANGE" would make the hair on lead's neck stand up and he'd take his time to find out if those were friendlies with orange panels rather than worrying about strafing them before they were bingo.

Next time you get deployed to OEF or whatever and you see this color....maybe you'll think about it.

I just have to chuckle at how ridiculous and retarded you sound. My faith is almost admirable? Give me a break! I was an AD F-15 guy before I started flying F-16's in the guard. And guess what, there are clown F-15 AD guys and there are awesome F-15 AD guys. And vice versa there are extremely sharp ANG F-16 guys and some that aren't so sharp. A guy in my unit just got back from the desert with another ANG unit who he helped augment. The guys did superb - not one mission tasker went unfilled on their watch. And with the capes of the F-16 block 30 (rover datalink and SADL), every TACP and ground FAC across Iraq was screaming for block 30's to help them out. And where are the block 30 vipers? - yep, you guessed it clown: ANG/AFRES.

And yes - I have proudly had my RCH share of weed with good friends and bro's, a category you're probably not usually included in, based on your sh*tty attitude...and your point is?

I wrote my reply to you in orange, to help you out in your next deployment to the desert as well...that is if you actually deploy at all.

 

[siouxicide]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=9a72b979de

This isn't the HUD from the frat, but I thought it's a pretty good example of being sharp.

 

[5niner0]

I didnt think there were A-10s in Iraq...

They took them away a little bit after the start of OIF, and now brought them back recently due to targeting pods that can reduce CDE.

For the record, A-10 pilots are usually sharp, but there is always going to be that one incident, we try to avoid it as much as possible, but I suppose it just wasn't those guys' day.

 

[ultrarunner]

No such thing as "friendly fire" when it's directed at you.

 

[Fearless Tower]

I'm not a fan of releasing HUD tapes, but it appears the family of these fallen warriors was not told the true circumstances of their deaths.

I think the family has a right to know if they were killed in a non-combat accident, by enemy fire...or by friendlies.

Two tragedies.

While I would agree that the family of the kid killed has every right to know what happened to their son, that could most certainly been done without airing 15 minutes of tape by The Sun.

 

[XShipRider]

I'm not a fan of releasing HUD tapes, but it appears the family of these fallen warriors was not told the true circumstances of their deaths.

I think the family has a right to know if they were killed in a non-combat accident, by enemy fire...or by friendlies.

Two tragedies.

Agreed. One would think the US military establishment would have learned
their lesson from the Tillman debacle.