Age 60 rule!

[suupah]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/01/30/faa.pilots.ap/index.html

What do you think? (again)

 

[suupah]

I think that flying past 60 is good for some but for others it isn't a good idea. I think that most pilots don't want it, however since when what pilots think mean anything to the rulemakers?

 

[siucavflight]

We should all hope to God that this does not pass, but I fear it will, and we will now be faced with another 5 year setback for our careers.

 

[Poahi]

So what happens when a 64 year old wants to come back to work?

 

[CoolSidePillow]

the industry was set up so that you had enough in your pension and made enough money over the career to invest so that a person could retire at 60. no pension and wage cuts how is a person supposed to do that now? it might suck for guys now that are younger but when 60 rolls around and who knows how bad the industry got people might want to work 5 more years if they can physically do it. if we were all in our mid to late 50's right now we might want to go longer than 60 and of course for us looking at maybe thousands of pilots sticking around longer that means we get stuck longer. it is a lose/lose situation

 

[601Pilot]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/01/30/faa.pilots.ap/index.html

What do you think? (again)

I'm in favor of it. Actually, I feel you could take the cap off completely. If you can pass a class I or II, keep on flying as long as you want. This is America!

 

[OPECJet]

I think it sucks. Lots of lost income for anyone in the right seat in the form of delayed upgrade, and setback getting a real job.

I doubt it will amount to a full five year delay in an upgrade, but it will certainly mean at least two more years. I think you'll see a lot of attrition from the more junior guys getting out of flying all together.

Enjoying the view certainly doesn't pay the bills....

 

[zawillif]

I'm 23 and I'm for it! How can people be so shortsighted? Sure it will cause a slight delay in your upgrade now, but the benefits outweigh the delay. And if you say: "I'm not going to want to go on after 60, I am going to want to get the hell out." Then maybe you should get out now and save yourself a lifetime of doing something you hate.

 

[DoinTime]

I'm in favor of it. Actually, I feel you could take the cap off completely. If you can pass a class I or II, keep on flying as long as you want. This is America!

FAA medical standards are a joke. The last thing this country needs is a bunch of senial old coots terrorizing the skys and taxiways. The airways would become just as dangerous as the grocery store parking lot on a tuesday afternoon.

Until cognative testing is included in medical exams I can never support raising the retirement age.

 

[DoinTime]

I'm 23 and I'm for it!

You have no idea what getting old is like.

 

[siucavflight]

I'm 23 and I'm for it! How can people be so shortsighted? Sure it will cause a slight delay in your upgrade now, but the benefits outweigh the delay. And if you say: "I'm not going to want to go on after 60, I am going to want to get the hell out." Then maybe you should get out now and save yourself a lifetime of doing something you hate.

Wow, you have a lot to learn.

 

[Huck]

Brotha man this is the wrong crowd to start a sentence with, "I'm 23 and...."

 

[immelman79]

I'm not in favor of changing the 'age 60 rule' , but..................

This explains what airways should do now. We gave, now its there turn to, or I guess they don't work like that.

http://lautenberg.senate.gov/newsroom/record.cfm?id=268129&

 

[acaTerry]

I'm 23 and I'm for it! How can people be so shortsighted? Sure it will cause a slight delay in your upgrade now, but the benefits outweigh the delay. And if you say: "I'm not going to want to go on after 60, I am going to want to get the hell out." Then maybe you should get out now and save yourself a lifetime of doing something you hate.

Shiny, new pilot, so silly. Give me your opinion after you've been doing this for 20 years....

 

[SSDD]

Collectively one could make the case that there will be lost income and oportunities, but for an individual that may not be the case. Any one of us could die tomorrow so the whole arguement will be moot.

There is a lot of chicken little type noise. Funny how the same guys that on other threads are saying that aviation sucks, and they're ready to get out yesterday, are some of the same that are crying about all that lost income and upgrade oportunities.

Who is to say how many guys will want to fly past 60? How many will lose their medical, or worse die before reaching 65?

What about younger guys? Will you make the upgrade? Will you step in front of the bus? Have a skiing accident? Crash your jetski and become paralyzed? Lose your medical? etc., etc.

Nothing in life is guaranteed!

 

[Dirty Sanchez]

I want to retire when I am 60 (if not sooner). I may have a different opinion if I get to that point and have failed to save any money in order to make that happen....

I do feel sorry for the guys/gals that lost their pension, but do you really think working an extra five years is going to make up for that?

 

[Poahi]

FAA medical standards are a joke. The last thing this country needs is a bunch of senial old coots terrorizing the skys and taxiways. The airways would become just as dangerous as the grocery store parking lot on a tuesday afternoon.

Until cognative testing is included in medical exams I can never support raising the retirement age.

I agree that the Medical's are a joke, but there is no accurate, practical method of forecasting a condition which would directly affect safety. I've flown with some guys over sixty and there is a huge difference with some. The only cognitive test we have is the PC.

The one thing about this debate though, it that it is unmolested by science.

 

[wxman]

"I do feel sorry for the guys/gals that lost their pension, but do you really think working an extra five years is going to make up for that?"

Hmmm, it seems to me that Medicare doesn't kick in until age 65.... so, yes I think that could make a difference.

I support upping the age limit. Why not? The people that are nearing age 60, and in perfectly good health, can fly the planes as good, or more likely better, than you or I can. With the lousy and nearly non-existant retirement plans we all now have, working an extra five years can make a big difference in your QOL after retiring.

 

[suupah]

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/070130/20070130006389.html?.v=1

apa not in favor

 

[Tchinson]

I wonder what the airlines have to say about all of this. No doubt if the age is changed to 65 that the pay rates will be diminished. Either that or they will have to find some other way to be able to afford the most Senior pilots for another 5 years. Regionals will also have trouble paying pilots that end up staying longer because of scarcity of jobs available at major/legacy airlines. I don't know about this one. It seems to me like this might throw quite a bit of a kink into the industry.

 

[bvanas]

I heard something on the newsabout it last night, that it was passed but I know it is going to take sometime to be put in effect. I really hope it takes at least 5 years or more! Otherwise the young kids will be set back a few years in our careers.

As far as safe, crew pairing will probably go only one may be over 60 in the cockpit.

 

[Goose Egg]

The last thing this country needs is a bunch of senial old coots terrorizing the skys and taxiways.

For the record, age 65 is hardly "senial [sic] old coot" territory. If we were talking 75 or 85, we might have an issue, but at 65, you've really still got a lot of life to live. My dad is 63, and he's at the top of his game in his career field.

Anyway as a 30 year old, 1000 hour-ish CFI (who hasn't burned out on instructing, mind you), changing the rule means some career delays. (So what's new?!) It kind of sucks but it's nothing I can't overcome.

As future 59 1/2 year old who will have 5 more years doing something that I love and being able to spend 5 more years contributing to a retirement fund (perhaps making up for the time-value of missed or minimal contributions as a CFI and 1st year FO), changing the age to 65 is, to coin a phrase, bloody brilliant! I think it's a great idea.

True, there are factors that cannot be planned for. Maybe I won't be able to hold a medical for that long. Maybe I will hate flying by then. Maybe I will be in a part 91 job and it won't matter. You can't plan for everything, but from here, it looks pretty good. Maybe I personally won't be able to take advantage of the rule change, but at least someone else will. And there's no reason why they shouldn't.

And it's also true, as a CFI, I really haven't been exposed to the "real" world of flying yet, i.e. 121 ops. But, knowing myself rather well, and knowing that I love flying, even after almost 600 hours of dual given, I don't see that ever changing in my life. I like to fly. Sue me.

-Goose

 

[acaTerry]

The last thing this country needs is a bunch of senial old coots terrorizing the skys and taxiways.

Or young kids who can't spell "senile".....

 

[suupah]

I think most senior pilots don't want this either.

 

[Iron Man]

We should all hope to God that this does not pass, but I fear it will, and we will now be faced with another 5 year setback for our careers.

Hi SIUCAVFLIGHT,
Yes you are correct , you just got a 5 year setback; now when you get to 60 you can get those 5 years back. Of-course there will be a provision where you can forever prohibit yourself from participating. This way pilots like you and I can protest this injustice. The FAA will provide you with the proper form to fill out.

 

[COOPERVANE]

And it's also true, as a CFI, I really haven't been exposed to the "real" world of flying yet, i.e. 121 ops. But, knowing myself rather well, and knowing that I love flying, even after almost 600 hours of dual given, I don't see that ever changing in my life. I like to fly. Sue me.

-Goose

WOW! 600 given........I thought I knew it all too when I was 25. But I didn't. Check back in 10 years.

Not a flame, just life

 

[Goose Egg]

WOW! 600 given........I thought I knew it all too when I was 25. But I didn't. Check back in 10 years.

Not a flame, just life

I think I spent great deal of my original post saying that I didn't know it all... probably too much. And I'm not 25, which is something you'd already know if you'd actually read the whole thing. But the point is taken--I know I'm inexperienced. I guess I'll check back in 5.

-Goose

 

[Poahi]

The airlines want to jettison as many expensive pilots as possible. They are going to oppose it. Does anyone know the average life expectancy for a pilot after retirement?