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Yet more income for the scummy Kit Darby.
 
I don't think Mesaba is banking on too many of the 226 furloughed pilots returning. I would venture a guess that they will call throuh the list of 226 fairly quickly just to get about 50 of them to return. More writing on the walls that we are about to start growing and hiring off the street should commence soon.
 
But whom?
Republic is looking for 1000, skywest, comair, expressjet, all hiring?
Why would any self-respecting cfi or cargo dog go to msa, only to be abused, their career dumped in the crapper my nwa/msa mgmt, and then sold off and busted up? And then raped in bankruptcy court.

And how is compass going to attract pilots? Promise of flow-through?
What will be the requirements for street captains there. Doubt any nwa furloughee will go...


Maybe it is time for alpa natl. to recognize an opportunity...to say "if you want pilots, here is what it costs, and by the way, regionals have just as much right to career progression as any one else". But nahhh....I'm smoking crack!
 
saabservant said:
But whom?

Maybe it is time for alpa natl. to recognize an opportunity...to say "if you want pilots, here is what it costs, and by the way, regionals have just as much right to career progression as any one else". But nahhh....I'm smoking crack!
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I second that. Time to stop screwing over the junior pilots, as well. (ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha....gimme some of that crack too, bro).
 
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Probably gonna just test the waters to see if there are any suckers. if we were betting on how many take the recall I'd take 90. cya
 
I wouldn't be surprised if most of the voluntary furlough FOs who were hired before 2004 will be back. I'm sure most of everyone invol. furloughed have moved on to better things. It's hard to give up 5-6 years of seniority and start over when you're starving for PIC time. Unfortunately I think XJ, if there is meaningful growth is going to be the fastest way to upgrade and avoid taking a massive paycut to go back to the bottom.


FO
 
possible growth for mesaba...thats good news..you guys deserve a lot more than frickin pinnacle...good luck.
 
They will snatch the rug out from underneath, after the next raise in oil price. Or with the next round of negotiations. This company as solid as my daughters ginger bread house. Maybe last a season but the ants come after it pretty quick. Avoid this place like the plague.
 
I would have guessed that if they wanted to run through the list quick they would have done so when they brought the 6 back for the holidays. After all didn't they call 70 looking for 20. They called 70 got 6 and decided they would make due rather than call further down the list. Also several of the voluntary furloughs are now in Europe with the Avros on the 1 year contract with Cityjet. I'm not sure if they will even have the ability to take the recall if it comes before the year is up.

My bet is on 68 of the 220 accept recall (about 80% of the 68 returning are ones on voluntary furlough)
 
I think it is hard to guage based on the first 70 letters sent. Many of the guys higher on the furlough list passed up for qol reasons. those six all went to mem. a large scale recall with openings in all bases will be a different story (i think anyway). cya
 
WMUSIGPI said:
...Also several of the voluntary furloughs are now in Europe with the Avros on the 1 year contract with Cityjet. I'm not sure if they will even have the ability to take the recall if it comes before the year is up.

It is my understanding that the pilots on contract in Europe do have the ability to return to the US (and XJ) prior to the end of the contract. There is a sizeable financial perk to fulfilling the contract at the end of the contract period, but the ability to opt out of the contract in the event of a recall (worth coming home for) was a big issue to the pilots considering the European opportunity. I'll try to find out more but it may be a couple of days so if anyone else knows, feel free to clue us in...
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Anyone returning to XJ, only to be furloughed again in (insert future date), is asking to have their aviation career stymied. The career FO's on the list today will concur.

When XJ has over 110 hulls, then and only then, will growth have occurred.
 
Abbey said:
Anyone returning to XJ, only to be furloughed again in (insert future date), is asking to have their aviation career stymied. The career FO's on the list today will concur.

When XJ has over 110 hulls, then and only then, will growth have occurred.
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Talk about sour grapes.
 
I agree with Abbey - until XJ reaches at least the 100 airframes we had prior to this BS, it's not growth. That also means all FOs who downgraded (some for the 2nd time) should get to re-upgrade and the 8 year FO as well. I'm a little more optimistic however and don't believe they will do down the road of the seasonal pilot once again (recall only to be re-furloughed a few months later), if there is growth.

For the CityJet guys, they're required to give 60 days notice to leave the contract.


FO
 
SplitBar said:
Talk about sour grapes.
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Not so much.

XJ gave me a steady paycheck and lots of friends for many years. Lots of turbine SIC experience. There was just no career improvement-progression for people hired after 1998, that's all. After the numerous downgrades, redowngrades, furloughs, refurloughs, etc...of the last several years, I am just not as confident that anything good will happen to those who choose to stay at XJ. Not sour grapes. Maybe, hopefully, I will be presently surprised and XJ will once again be a place one can be proud of to be an employee of.
 
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If people are waiting for xj management to create pride in their workforce, they're going to be waiting a long time. Pride doesn't come from growth, it's born out of a reputation of integrity. Demand it of yourself and those that pretend to run the company, and you will see it again at Mesaba. Wait for it to happen on it's own, and you'll never see it again.

-Spartacus
 
How about pride in ALPA? It will be interesting to see if they cut the returning furloughees out of the BK claim. "I've got mine" haunts us again.
 
XJ-spartacus said:
Reputation is a form of honor, and honor a tradition of doing what is right. So the basic question is, what's ALPA's reputation?

-Spartacus
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Well, they've established a decent history as sellouts.

ALPA frequently will do anything to funnel a few more bucks to the Captains...."Screw the FO's! Screw the Furloughees! I've got mine, and all I care about is getting more!"

I do not know if Mesaba ALPA is going to fit into this pattern or not. If they do, then I will know why more and more Americans have low opinions of unions.

The job of a union is to represent the interests of all of their members equally. A union which fails in this trust is a union responsible for the decline of unions, and not worthy of the name "union".
 
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I can smell trouble with the BK claim coming. With 25% of the seniority list furloughed, it will be interesting how that plays out.

For the record, I'm furloughed and I hope each and everyone of us that were furloughed get a cut of the pie. We got sacrificied by managment and had no sat on the contract '06.
 
XJohXJ said:
How about pride in ALPA? It will be interesting to see if they cut the returning furloughees out of the BK claim. "I've got mine" haunts us again.
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"Hey furloughs, want to return? The company sold you out once, and your fellow pilots sold you out, twice."
 
XJohXJ said:
The job of a union is to represent the interests of all of their members equally. A union which fails in this trust is a union responsible for the decline of unions, and not worthy of the name "union".
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The regionals would be better served having their own union. That last "A" in ALPA isn't for "union". I'm sure that was a conscious decision.

-Spartacus
 
You guys are talking out of your A****. Furloughs will be included, what is yet to be settled is precise eligibility dates. I hear that the way the law is applied, it is better and safer (read: less litigation) to err on the side on inclusivity. Yes, that means that a few, furloughed or not, will be able to take the money and run to another job, and not suffer the concessions from Dec. 1 on, which are what the claim is for. NOT for loss of airplanes, downgrades, furloughs, etc. The 14.2 million figure is for concessions given Dec. 1 and to amendable date, with an exception for the multi-class bids done in 06'.

Yes, alpa exists for the benefit of the few at the top at the majors and is pitifully silent on the fee-for-departure, whipsaw mess, but your own MEC, and your negotiators, are being very careful with this.

No, there is no special share cut out for your inability to upgrade, or your downgrade to FO. THAT is your penalty for being foolish enough to believe that this is a viable long-term option, because of your domicile, or family situation. We work for one of the worst (alleged) mgmt. teams in the industry. Face it, and move on to another carrier or another career in domicile. Leave the tough work and decisions to those willing to sacrifice their time and energy to fight these Basta***, and stop trashing them before you know anything. Please.
 
ok my time to vent

YourPilotFriend said:
"Hey furloughs, want to return? The company sold you out once, and your fellow pilots sold you out, twice."
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Its not really twice, it will be a third time the bottom of the list was sold out. In the last contract the top of the list got a 5% pay raise, the bottom got like a 20%. Sounds good on paper until you think of the numbers...5% of 90 an hour was more cash than 20% of 19 an hour. And the quality of life was still bad at making 24 grand a year. That when other fo's at other companies flying comprable jets were making 35-40 grand a year. The one pay scale was terrible and still is, even if it benefits us in a one airframe fleet.

Now for the bankruptcy claim. We are one pilot group. There is one claim. My share as an FO should not be less than that of a senior pilot. I understand that our leadership is mostly senior and other airlines have set an example that they will try to follow (selling out the junior people in the claim). I propose this, that all the FO's (our fo reps should listen) get an attorney (provided by alpa) who is willing to represent us, make a equal claim. This is a huge issue which should be addressed. If there is a strong fight against what I have said, some sort of compromise needs to be addressed. take 50% of the claim and make it a seniority based distribution, then take the other 50% and split it evenly! Also, I would suggest that at least half the claim be put in our retirement accounts (tax free). The other half should be given immediately so that some bills can be caught up! And i can be ready to buy a ruger red label 12 guage! Or pay my morgage :(
 

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