ASA Negotiations

[VeeOne]

As has been said before........the reason we have not heard from the national mediator is because we have not seen what is going to transpire over at Comair. Once the ball starts rolling over there THEN we will hear from the national mediator. I believe someone pointed out the date as the 3rd of Feb.

The question is whether or not it will impact what we are asking for and how we are approaching our own negotiations. I believe ALPA and our CNC should start looking at the worst of outcomes from Comair- folding and accepting a concessionary agreement that would undercut us and our current rates, or match what we currently have. Our MEC and CNC should be discussing what the MINIMUM outcome could/should be for both parties.Otherwise, we lose a lot of negotiating power and footing.

 

[ASA]

From what I understand--and I don't know why all ASA Union salaries are not disclosed to the pilots who pay them--they make 95 hours at what they can hold.

My guess is that when they are working, it is frustrating. Of course it would be. But I also suppose there is a tremendous amount of time off. Unless someone can explain what they do all month when not in negotiating sessions. Come on, scrutinize other airline contracts, crunch numbers? 8 hours a day, every day, 4 + years later?

 

[Speedtape]

Will, I think you missed OhPlease's point. It is called "sarcasm". The ALPA chestbeaters are the ones who talk about "blackballing" people, and telling people they won't get hired if they don't do what ALPA says. Most of us realize it is an idle threat.

I am an ALPA supporter and an ALPA volunteer. I have also been "threatened" by ALPA people for picking up open time. I'm not that worried about the "threats".

Dennis,

Who has threatened you or anyone else? Just curious!

 

[Speedtape]

Well I believe the two senior guys on the negotiating committee are making about $120,000 per year and aren't doing much right now. I wouldn't say that "sucks". It is much better than I am doing.

Then why didn't you sign up and volunteer for the job, instigator? Why don't you come to the LEC meetings and air your grievance, with a face and a name, if you are a member in good standing?

Which Chief Pilot are you?

 

[Blucher]

Then why didn't you sign up and volunteer for the job, instigator? Why don't you come to the LEC meetings and air your grievance, with a face and a name, if you are a member in good standing?

Which Chief Pilot are you?

If he/she is a CP, I'd say it's either KR or CV. My vote is for CV (again, assuming this person is a management lacky). Who else has as much reason to be mad at salaries? Didn't he just lose his cushy CP spot? That's got to hurt financially, especially for a CP who did absolutely nothing whatsoever of any value at all for anyone on line. Sorry to see KR go, not so much for CV.

-Blucher

 

[ASARJMan]

Sorry to see KR go, not so much for CV.

-Blucher

She's just as bad and as useless as CV. Good riddance to both of them.

STRIKE ASA!

 

[COOPERVANE]

I am asking because I don't know, not to stir the pot. But, walk me through a typical day for a CNC member when not in negotiations. What do they do for 10, 20, 30 days in a row?

Also, I don't think saying "how much have you volunteered?" or "why don't you run for office if it seems so easy" Is a valid answer to a question concerning the work day of one of our elected officials. The way the question was asked previously does smack of cynicism, but it is a logical and reasonable question nonetheless.

Before someone chimes in about asking a PTP volunteer. I have. And they always say "they are working diligently" But I'm not sure they know anything either

 

[PCL_128]

I am asking because I don't know, not to stir the pot. But, walk me through a typical day for a CNC member when not in negotiations. What do they do for 10, 20, 30 days in a row?

Also, I don't think saying "how much have you volunteered?" or "why don't you run for office if it seems so easy" Is a valid answer to a question concerning the work day of one of our elected officials. The way the question was asked previously does smack of cynicism, but it is a logical and reasonable question nonetheless.

Before someone chimes in about asking a PTP volunteer. I have. And they always say "they are working diligently" But I'm not sure they know anything either

Swing by the SPC office and ask them yourself.

 

[COOPERVANE]

Oh yeah the other answer.

Or someone could type a few lines into a computer and let us ALL know

 

[SPDBRD747400]

I was wondering why all these meetings need to happen in other cities? I'm curious why we have to spend time & money sending people on flights, hotel rooms, meals, room rentals for meetings etc... what's wrong with the GO for all this??? Seems to me like a lot of spending where there doesn't need to be...just my opinion.

 

[ASA]

I was wondering why all these meetings need to happen in other cities? I'm curious why we have to spend time & money sending people on flights, hotel rooms, meals, room rentals for meetings etc... what's wrong with the GO for all this??? Seems to me like a lot of spending where there doesn't need to be...just my opinion.

Manufactured answer: "We have to be away from each others' home turf, make the other side more uncomfortable, away from their families, so we can all really get down to business, focus, without distractions or advantages."

This is the logic of the same people who take 4.5 years to modify a short document. Both sides are gouging you. Both sides are effectively spending your money on their own perks. It's a corrupt game.

 

[ASA]

Swing by the SPC office and ask them yourself.

Typical defensive answer from union. Not the volunterrs, but the ones who are paid and never fly would like you to believe they are working hard 8-10 hours a day, 5-6 days a week. Grueling, never-ending stuff. You have it easy flying the line. Boy do they wish they could switch places with you.

 

[HoserASA]

Typical defensive answer from union. Not the volunterrs, but the ones who are paid and never fly would like you to believe they are working hard 8-10 hours a day, 5-6 days a week. Grueling, never-ending stuff. You have it easy flying the line. Boy do they wish they could switch places with you.

They are volunteers also but they do get their pay quarantee when released from the line. Anytime you or the others have questions about the Neg Comm, their pay, their working day etc etc , all you have to do is pick up the phone and call them. Or, you could always stop by at the ALPA office with your questions, or ask them in the crew lounge, in front of everybody. But then you'd be revealing who you are huh, and possibly making an ass out of yourself. Maybe you're just a management type stirring it up anyway.

Of course you who whine about the Neg Comm could always volunteer to take their place. But we know that will never happen. You'd rather bitch on here about it. BTW, the Neg Comm is doing what the majority wants. The members tell the MEC and Neg Comm what to do and what they want in the new contract. Get involved with ASA ALPA if you dare!

Hoser
Capt Mark Scardino

 

[DrunkIrishman]

Stop complaining about your dues paying for their time off. You were paying your dues before we started negotiating and you pay no more now.

The purpose of negotiating away from ATL is because the Mediator determined that ASA mgmt was taking too much of their time doing business instead of negotiating. Therefore, moving to another city allows you to stop handling the day to day operations.

If you read the negotiating updates you would have realized that our negotiators show up on time and ready to negotiate. Mgmt, on the other hand, has shown up late and unprepared on many occassions. That is something that is not in the control of the CNC.

Again, if you have a problem with what they are doing then go and talk to them about it instead of cowardly throwing stones on this forum.

 

[SPDBRD747400]

Stop complaining about your dues paying for their time off. You were paying your dues before we started negotiating and you pay no more now.

The purpose of negotiating away from ATL is because the Mediator determined that ASA mgmt was taking too much of their time doing business instead of negotiating. Therefore, moving to another city allows you to stop handling the day to day operations.

If you read the negotiating updates you would have realized that our negotiators show up on time and ready to negotiate. Mgmt, on the other hand, has shown up late and unprepared on many occassions. That is something that is not in the control of the CNC.

Again, if you have a problem with what they are doing then go and talk to them about it instead of cowardly throwing stones on this forum.

It was just a question NOT stone throwing! Although today we have cell phones and PDA's and regardless of location I'm sure they are very much involved in the day-to-day operations wether they are in CHS or ATL. Also if they are showing up late and unprepared even when they are NOT in ATL then what good is it doing to travel???

 

[ASARJMan]

Also if they are showing up late and unprepared even when they are NOT in ATL then what good is it doing to travel???

YOU can go to the G/O and ask BL that question, or CT or SH the next time they're in the crew lounge. But to answer your question, it's the mediator's decision, not the company nor the Neg Comm. But what the hell, ask SH/CT anyway.

STRIKE ASA!

 

[COOPERVANE]

I support ALPA, I believe in ALPA. But I see why Skywest many not get them on property if this is how questions are answered.

Again a VERY REASONABLE question was asked and people get bent out of shape. The response seems to always be like "do you dare question ALPA?" "Ask me to my face like a man!"

WOW so defensive. Sorry, but from the outside it looks like there is something to hide.

 

[DrunkIrishman]

There is a distinct difference from asking an innocent question and asking a loaded question. I for one feel bombarded with all the information ALPA has given during the past year. But that is better than not enough information. If you honestly feel they are trying to hide something, which I disagree, then go and talk to them about your concerns.

And to clarify something:

If an individual will not take the time to discuss an issue with someone and instead chooses to make anonymous and undfounded accusations, then they are acting cowardly.

 

[ASA]

If I were the president of ASA ALPA, I would make it clear how much I was being paid, ALPA pension benefits, etc, and the same for anyone else in the organization on the payroll. Also, whether or not I were flying, or if not, why it was impossible for us to do so.

 

[Medeco]

And to clarify something:

If an individual will not take the time to discuss an issue with someone and instead chooses to make anonymous and undfounded accusations, then they are acting cowardly.

Finally, someone that says it like it is.

SO true, so true...

Medeco