Citation down @ VNY?

[jasonwb]

anyone have any info. heard it was on takeoff?

j

 

[SLUF4]

http://ktla.trb.com/news/ktla-vannuyscrash,0,1403699.story?coll=ktla-home-1
they have live video of it

 

[aired]

News reports 2 bodies found

Fox news reported the plane was a Citation Jet and that firefighters have identified 2 bodies at the scene.

Might have been N77215?

 

[timeoff]

Might have been N77215?

Could be. I just checked that tail # on flightaware and it's scheduled departure today is an hour overdue.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N77215

 

[B1900FO]

Witnesses say a cargo door was open...maybe the nose?

 

[On Your Six]

CJ1 down at VNY

Found this on Flightaware.com:

A jet has crashed on takeoff from KVNY (Van Nuys, CA). Local television coverage from helicopters shows that the fire has been contained.

The Associated Press is reporting the aircraft is Cessna 525 en route to Long Beach. FlightAware shows N77215 is a 1996 Cessna 525 with a scheduled flight from KVNY to KLGB. N77215 is owned by Moonchild Aviation in Los Angeles. The aircraft had a proposed departure time of 10:30am PST for a 15 minute flight to Long Beach and a second flight plan with an 11:45am PST flight to Prescott, AZ.

At least two individuals were found dead in the aircraft and a report from VNY tower indicates that the flight plan filed with the FAA was that two people were onboard the aircraft.

An unconfirmed report from local news asserts that a door opened on the aircraft and debris from the aircraft was injested by one of the engines.

Developing story.

 

[USC***]

Eyewitness on CNN reported he saw someone jump out of the plane at about 40ft. above the ground and then the plane crashed on top of him????

 

[Swass]

What?

 

[honeycomb]

Eyewitness on CNN reported he saw someone jump out of the plane at about 40ft. above the ground and then the plane crashed on top of him????

:smash:

Oh boy...they interviewed someone from a trailer park again. "I saw that alien tornado almost eat half the trees and all the trailers."

I don't buy a pilot (one of two onboard) jumping for their lives at 40 feet. I would believe cargo from the nose coming out before impact though.

Oh yeah, give that eyewitness a drug test. :nuts:

 

[TriStar_drvr]

:smash:

Oh boy...they interviewed someone from a trailer park again. "I saw that alien tornado almost eat half the trees and all the trailers."

I don't buy a pilot (one of two onboard) jumping for their lives at 40 feet. I would believe cargo from the nose coming out before impact though.

Oh yeah, give that eyewitness a drug test. :nuts:

I too was about to make a trailer park comment about the witness, and then thought about it. This is farfetched, but could it have been the pax door that was open, and that one of the pilots went back to try to close it, and fell out? I know it's extrememly far-fetched, and very premature. But if the pilots had reported an open door, who knows? Stranger things have happened.

I am waiting for some witness to comment that the "engine was sputtering". I've already heard one TV commentator state that it was "heroic" that the pilots managed to miss the nearby houses.

I guess I should apologize for speculating, but the "pilot jumping out" statement piqued my curiosity.

The first thing I should have stated is that I offer condolences to the families and friends of the victims. Godspeed.

 

[torchred]

I offer condolences to the families and friends of the victims. Godspeed.[/quote]

I second TriStar's comment.

 

[rumpletumbler]

The guy who jumped out was probably just going outside to clean the engines out and lost his footing.

 

[Mercury]

Not funny at all Rumple...........

My thoughts and prayers go out to the family and friends of those lost today.

 

[CA1900]

The guy who jumped out was probably just going outside to clean the engines out and lost his footing.

You're an ass.

 

[timeoff]

The guy who jumped out was probably just going outside to clean the engines out and lost his footing.

Real classy.

 

[JediNein]

The jumper story was put down quite strongly by the helicopter pilots covering the story. The witness with the baggage door 'story' has several thousand hours in type among other types. I'm glad I was looking the other way and didn't have to watch two acquaintances die.

VNY lost a good charter operation part-owner/DO and a good co-pilot. May they rest in peace.

 

[SoundBarViolatr]

Rip

It was Frank and Fernando from SQA. RIP.

 

[ksallaz]

The guy who jumped out was probably just going outside to clean the engines out and lost his footing.

loser.

 

[SoundBarViolatr]

The guy who jumped out was probably just going outside to clean the engines out and lost his footing.

The Crew that was killed were friends. Your identity needs to be revealed to the community so you will never go beyond the world of instructing.

 

[Sticky]

The Crew that was killed were friends.

I'm sorry to hear that. Its hard to lose friends, especially when it could have been any one of us. Lets all be careful out there.

 

[Stealthh21]

The guy who jumped out was probably just going outside to clean the engines out and lost his footing.

Get a life.

 

[PositionandHold]

Getting back to the topic, is that aircraft's performance inherently poor on one engine or does it seem like more happened than just a problem with a single engine? Wondering if it's possibly that debris hit both engines..

 

[GVFlyer]

The guy who jumped out was probably just going outside to clean the engines out and lost his footing.

Your comment is in extremely bad taste. I hope that someday you are able to attain a level of maturity that allows you to realize what an incredible ass you are.



Regarding the death of two airmen - there but for the Grace of God go each of us.

RIP


GV





~

 

[Say Again Over]

rumpletumbler

Hope you have learned a valuable lesson, we all enjoy a good smart comment to lighten things up from time to time but this wasn't the time or the place. My sincere condolences to all friends and family.

 

[wolfpackpilot]

The guy who jumped out was probably just going outside to clean the engines out and lost his footing.

Rumpletumbler,

Your a Sh*tbag! No, make that a little smart*ss wisecracking Sh*tbag!

 

[G21Agoose]

May they rest in peace. My sincere condolences to the family and friends.

 

[habubuaza]

Hey guys I think rumpletumbler was just trying to illustrate the outrageousness of the CNN report. Take it easy.

 

[400A]

Getting back to the topic, is that aircraft's performance inherently poor on one engine or does it seem like more happened than just a problem with a single engine? Wondering if it's possibly that debris hit both engines..

I dont know, but I am sure with the door open there was additional drag, in addition what ever the debris hit I am sure was damaged as well. Not to mention Multiple emergencies at lift off. They don't train that one in the simulator.

My prayers are with the family, friends an co-workers. RIP.

 

[JediNein]

I dont know, but I am sure with the door open there was additional drag, in addition what ever the debris hit I am sure was damaged as well. Not to mention Multiple emergencies at lift off. They don't train that one in the simulator.

Frank's been through multiple emergencies after V1 before.

 

[hyeflyin]

I've flown with Capt. Frank in the past on a few occasions. Let me tell ya, if that airplane could have been saved, Capt. Frank was the one man who would have saved it. A very humble man and a great pilot. May they rest in peace.