US Airways raises the offer to 10.2 Billion

[General Lee]

Mr. Lee, are you by any chance related to John Kerry? You, like the rest of us don't know jack about how this deal is going to end up.

Well, we all can make an educated guess, and I use history and current articles to back up my statements. You may have faith in your boss, but the rest of us want no part of it. His persistance will lead to his downfall, since he is pushing us into a larger merger that will pounce on him later. Look, Grinstein does not want to give up to Parker, and he will do whatever it takes to avoid that. That is fact.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[400ADude]

No!


Because he knows either DL/NWA is in the works or is afraid that the reemerged DL out of BK will kick the snot out of his company!


Really, what people, are you psychic? Perhaps you should worry more about your precious little airline about to be devoured by Air Tran!


All this intelligence, and yet you can't move out of the trailer park?
You are as clueless as you are predictable. Sorry, as you said, but DL will emerge out of BK, with or without US Airways. Either way, one thing will change, you will be a miserable little boy on the outside looking in!


He can wish in one hand and crap in the other, let's see which one gets filled first!

Kind of like what Air Tran will do to your midwest airline hey chuckie??


So does it for you, unfortunately for the rest of us, you still won't change!
Good luck with your buyout from Air Tran. When the AT guys get done stapling you to the bottom of their list, I'll be the one having the last laugh!!!:laugh: :laugh:

737

Getting a little nervous.

 

[Flys4Fun]

www.buildingabetterairline.com

 

[Swaayze]

Where did you get a break up of Delta? First off, the DOJ would never allow this because of the severe overlap (UA/US had only one hub overlap (IAD/DCA) and it was turned down---we have 3), and if for some reason they did, NWA will step in and DL management will endorse that deal, which will probably have about the same amount of money involved. USAir will be out in the cold, regardless. You need to relax pal.


Bye Bye--General Lee

I'm pretty relaxed actually, thanks buddy.

You make my point, the DOJ will probably not allow a standalone LCC purchase of DL, so bits and pieces would have to be spun off to meet anti-trust concerns. They've already discussed the shuttle sell-off and are now acknowledging that some CLT/ATL concerns will probably be addressed as well. With NWA and UAL interested in DAL and certainly not wanting to be left out in the end, do you really not think that a break-up is possible? Just refer again to the UAL-U deal to see how that can work, with AA stepping in to take U's 757 and F100 fleets. BTW, the UAL-U deal was, as others have stated, heavily rumored to be approved until UAL got cold feet in the 11th hour. If you don't call selling off the shuttle and parceling out some things to UAL and NWA a breakup - then I guess you're right.

Like I said, it just seems that it's heading that direction. I think we'd all be happy if it just dies on the vine, but it's more credible now than before I'm afraid (in a relaxed kinda way). Heck, maybe it'll be a complete purchase of DL and a breakup of LCC to satisfy the DOJ, I dunno. Methinks it's you that may need to relax a little.

 

[Green]

Where did you get a break up of Delta? First off, the DOJ would never allow this because of the severe overlap (UA/US had only one hub overlap (IAD/DCA) and it was turned down---we have 3), and if for some reason they did, NWA will step in and DL management will endorse that deal, which will probably have about the same amount of money involved. USAir will be out in the cold, regardless. You need to relax pal.


Bye Bye--General Lee

You realize General Lee that if this deal does go through you will have lost all credibility on this board....This is your personal flightinfo.com hail marry. What will you do with yourself if you have to retire from this board in shame? Better start thinking of a new screen name and set aside 10bucks for a membership....lol....

all in good fun

 

[800Dog]

You realize General Lee that if this deal does go through you will have lost all credibility on this board....This is your personal flightinfo.com hail marry. What will you do with yourself if you have to retire from this board in shame? Better start thinking of a new screen name and set aside 10bucks for a membership....lol....

all in good fun

I don't think the General has ever stated the deal will not go through. He believes it will not and tries to back up his beliefs with articles, quotes and his own opinion. At least he promotes healthy debate.

 

[General Lee]

I'm pretty relaxed actually, thanks buddy.

You make my point, the DOJ will probably not allow a standalone LCC purchase of DL, so bits and pieces would have to be spun off to meet anti-trust concerns. They've already discussed the shuttle sell-off and are now acknowledging that some CLT/ATL concerns will probably be addressed as well. With NWA and UAL interested in DAL and certainly not wanting to be left out in the end, do you really not think that a break-up is possible? Just refer again to the UAL-U deal to see how that can work, with AA stepping in to take U's 757 and F100 fleets. BTW, the UAL-U deal was, as others have stated, heavily rumored to be approved until UAL got cold feet in the 11th hour. If you don't call selling off the shuttle and parceling out some things to UAL and NWA a breakup - then I guess you're right.

Like I said, it just seems that it's heading that direction. I think we'd all be happy if it just dies on the vine, but it's more credible now than before I'm afraid (in a relaxed kinda way). Heck, maybe it'll be a complete purchase of DL and a breakup of LCC to satisfy the DOJ, I dunno. Methinks it's you that may need to relax a little.

You seemed to have missed the NWA and DL talk. There are plenty of other alternatives, and Parker knows this. Read the Bethune article I just posted. He stated marriage partners would have to make sense, and they would have to have complementary routes, like Asia and Europe. NWA and DL know this. There won't be pieces broken off, that is your speculation. Nah.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

You realize General Lee that if this deal does go through you will have lost all credibility on this board....This is your personal flightinfo.com hail marry. What will you do with yourself if you have to retire from this board in shame? Better start thinking of a new screen name and set aside 10bucks for a membership....lol....

all in good fun

Heck no. I can see a NWA/DL merge, but I can't see a US takeover. And no, I would never leave this board. I have almost 8000 posts. I will hit 10,000 by the Summer. As far as credibility, this is an opinion board, and I can give my opinion. I think this US takeover won't go, and I provide my proof with articles and speculation. And, I don't really care what anyone thinks on this board. I like the debate.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

www.buildingabetterairline.com

It is actually a weak site. The statements from analysts etc are old and most are from the Nov 15th announcement by USAir. Our site has statements from Government officials and more recent analyst statements. Keep Delta my Delta, or atleast stay away from USAir....I'll take freezing cold MSP walk arounds anyday.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[800Dog]

Heck no. I can see a NWA/DL merge, but I can't see a US takeover. And no, I would never leave this board. I have almost 8000 posts. I will hit 10,000 by the Summer. As far as credibility, this is an opinion board, and I can give my opinion. I think this US takeover won't go, and I provide my proof with articles and speculation. And, I don't really care what anyone thinks on this board. I like the debate.


Bye Bye--General Lee

At the current rate, I say you hit 10,000 well before summer. I say April 29th. Takers?

 

[737 Pylt]

Getting a little nervous.

Naah, because either way, I still have a job. You, and your company (midwest) with the buyout from Air Tran, now that's another story.... I sure hope you make sure you have your staple remover handy chucky, because after the AT guys get done sodomizing you, you'll wish you had gotten hired origionally at Air Tran.
Justice is so sweeeeeet!:beer:

737

 

[400ADude]

Naah, because either way, I still have a job. You, and your company (midwest) with the buyout from Air Tran, now that's another story.... I sure hope you make sure you have your staple remover handy chucky, because after the AT guys get done sodomizing you, you'll wish you had gotten hired origionally at Air Tran.
Justice is so sweeeeeet!:beer:

737

I like pretending to be Chucky. Justice is sweeet. I'm not too worried about being stapled at my company. What they offer for you guys?. 10 Billion. I think we made about that amount in the last two years. Call me Chuck if it makes you happy and relieves the stress from your life. You got a storm out in front of you, what you going to do? Good luck big guy.

 

[Lear70]

I thought he meant he was a little nervous about AAI buying MEH. LOL

Please let your MEC know that you don't mind being stapled, we AAI F/O's appreciate your sacrifice.

p.s. JK, wouldn't wish bad luck on anyone, that crap comes around and bites you eventually.

 

[Flys4Fun]

When your Delta is my bitch, I will celebrate by consuming many beers.

We can scream Oberstar, DOJ, Lafayetteville and er'thing else...but in the end none of us "aviation experts" know jack schitt.

 

[PHXFLYR]

I don't think the General has ever stated the deal will not go through. He believes it will not and tries to back up his beliefs with articles, quotes and his own opinion. At least he promotes healthy debate.

PHXFLYR

 

[WSurf]

Where did you get a break up of Delta? First off, the DOJ would never allow this because of the severe overlap (UA/US had only one hub overlap (IAD/DCA) and it was turned down---we have 3), and if for some reason they did, NWA will step in and DL management will endorse that deal, which will probably have about the same amount of money involved. USAir will be out in the cold, regardless. You need to relax pal.


Bye Bye--General Lee

General I don't believe severe overlapping is gonna cause this deal to not go thru! If the companies merge the overlapping will be taken care of!!
The airline industry needs mergers! Do I think Delta and US Airways makes sense? No!!
But overlapping is the least of the DOJ's worries!!

Everyone remember.... Money Talks, Bull$hit Walks!!!

 

[m80drvr]

General I don't believe severe overlapping is gonna cause this deal to not go thru! If the companies merge the overlapping will be taken care of!!
The airline industry needs mergers! Do I think Delta and US Airways makes sense? No!!
But overlapping is the least of the DOJ's worries!!

Everyone remember.... Money Talks, Bull$hit Walks!!!

Get ready the General is going to say "Oberstar" soon!

 

[General Lee]

Wow, you must know what you are talking about....?

General I don't believe severe overlapping is gonna cause this deal to not go thru! If the companies merge the overlapping will be taken care of!!
The airline industry needs mergers! Do I think Delta and US Airways makes sense? No!!
But overlapping is the least of the DOJ's worries!!

Everyone remember.... Money Talks, Bull$hit Walks!!!

Well Wsurf, it is GREAT you think overlap isn't going to stop a merger. Unfortunately, a lot of other people do. You tell them, Sport! This article was from yesterday:


What's more, a potential merger between Delta and Northwest would have a great chance at receiving the necessary regulatory approval than would a Delta-US Airways deal. While Delta and US Airways compete head-to-head in many Eastern and Southeastern markets, there's far less overlap between Delta, whose strength is its Southeastern network, and Northwest, which has major hubs in Detroit, Minneapolis, and Memphis. That would mean fewer layoffs, and fewer of the cutbacks in service that would likely rile lawmakers in Washington.
By contrast, some industry insiders fear that a combination of Delta and US Airways would have a hard time passing muster with regulators. While US Airways officials remain confident that they would be able to divest enough assets to appease antitrust regulators—such as selling off one of the Washington-to-New York shuttle operations the two carriers run—some airline experts fret that a US Airways-Delta merger would give the combined carrier too much control over many second-tier markets like Charleston, S.C. "The Department of Justice will have a hard time approving this deal," says Michael Boyd, an aviation consultant based in Evergreen, Colo.

Already, some of the new Democratic leaders in Congress are voicing their opposition and threatening to derail the US Airways bid for Delta. "This proposal is ill-conceived and designed primarily for the benefit of US Airways," says Rep. James L. Oberstar (D-Minn.), the new chairman of the House Transportation Committee. "I think we can slow it down and eventually stop it."




Now, if you can come up with something that could back up your statements, I would welcome it. Really.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Get ready the General is going to say "Oberstar" soon!

See above post. You try to make fun, but then his name actually appears and his comments mirror mine. Isn't that funny?? But, he could actually stop a merger...


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[PCL_128]

But, he could actually stop a merger...


Bye Bye--General Lee

You keep saying that, but it's not true. Senator Oberstar can't stop anything himself. He can hold hearings and make recommendations, but only the DOJ can stop this. Oberstar only has the power to recommend, not to stop the merger.