US Airways raises the offer to 10.2 Billion

[Mercy98]

...and now it is revealed that Delta and Northwest have been in talks about a possible merger for weeks. This was just on CNBC.

 

[DustyBottoms]

General you've got yourself worked up into a bit of a frenzy here. No amount of posting is going to change the outcome of this deal. While we sit here and bit#h management is actively working this deal out.

Now you're above statement contradicts your previous statements. Obviously as you stated the DOJ will not permit excessive market dominance. If UAL/CAL or AA/NWA merge then the DOJ will force them to sell some slots/routes to appease the anticompetitive issues. The new Dal would be in a perfect position to pick up some of those routes. If it turns into three mega carriers I would imagine the government will make sure that they are fairly evenly matched...

Thank you for a logical post, Green. And along the lines of TWADude, I think Doogie (and everyone else he has hired to look into this deal) has maybe, just maybe, a little more experience in this stuff than we do. Just a thought. But then again he probably is an idiot because he did retract a statement, and is at his current point of his career path only because of free handouts and pure luck.

 

[surfnfly]

Too bad Dougie wants to keep the Delta Name.

Bad airport coffee - $1.50

Cold beer in CYUL - $7.00

Hearing General-Lee Check-in with USAir Callsign - PRICELESS

 

[michael707767]

Too bad Dougie wants to keep the Delta Name.

Bad airport coffee - $1.50

Cold beer in CYUL - $7.00

Hearing General-Lee Check-in with USAir Callsign - PRICELESS

now that's funny!!

No offense GL

 

[TWA Dude]

Hearing General-Lee Check-in with USAir Callsign - PRICELESS

Well, you know USAir is already going to have to change to our callsign "cactus". But if the merger goes through we'll just have to come up with a new callsign. My proposal: "Bubba".

 

[General Lee]

General you've got yourself worked up into a bit of a frenzy here. No amount of posting is going to change the outcome of this deal. While we sit here and bit#h management is actively working this deal out.

Now you're above statement contradicts your previous statements. Obviously as you stated the DOJ will not permit excessive market dominance. If UAL/CAL or AA/NWA merge then the DOJ will force them to sell some slots/routes to appease the anticompetitive issues. The new Dal would be in a perfect position to pick up some of those routes. If it turns into three mega carriers I would imagine the government will make sure that they are fairly evenly matched...

Green,

I try to back up my statements with articles. You know that. I will do it again. My argument with the DOJ and dominance stated that they would not allow that. But, if for some reason they approved a US and DL tie up, then they would have to do the same for the others. Here is the article stating that:


Part of Delta's argument is that a combination with US Airways could set off a consolidation wave that would leave the Atlanta-based airline in a weaker position, according to a creditor with knowledge of the carrier's efforts.
For instance, in theory a Delta takeover could convince United (UAUA - commentary - Cramer's Take) and Continental (CAL - commentary - Cramer's Take - Rating) to merge. That could, in turn, make American (AMR - commentary - Cramer's Take - Rating) go after Northwest (NWACQ - commentary - Cramer's Take).
Both of those potential mergers, if they were to occur, would produce airlines with a higher number of strong domestic hubs and with better international routes, particularly in Asia and Latin America, than a joined Delta and US Airways.
Plus, if the Justice Department allowed a Delta and US Airways merger despite the considerable overlap between the two carriers, it would hardly be in a position to deny similar advantages to other airlines.

Delta is saying, 'If we get approval [and] our deal happens, it would trigger other deals,'" the creditor, who didn't want a name used, said in an interview. "They say, 'It would mean that DOJ has to let Continental-United happen, and then American-Northwest, and then we would be worse off than we are now. We would be the No. 3 carrier, and we would have major disadvantages on the international side.'"



As far as your comment that the Government would make someone else sell some Asian slots to make sure we are "evenly matched", ONLY UAL AND NW have the rights to those slots. To be a big player in Asia, we would have to be hooked up with one of them. They both have a NRT hub, with plenty of slots that are in their names, and cannot be transferred.


So, again, if US/DL got together, the DOJ would LIKELY allow the others to mix it up, and then we would be a distant #3 and get our collective arses kicked because businesses want the abiltiy to fly anywhere and everywhere, and we would be lacking in one large part of the world. But don't worry, if NW and DL get together, then you will be the one lacking by yourself.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Too bad Dougie wants to keep the Delta Name.

Bad airport coffee - $1.50

Cold beer in CYUL - $7.00

Hearing General-Lee Check-in with USAir Callsign - PRICELESS

That was funny. Except you got it wrong. It would be the CACTUS callsign. You guys at USAir will lose your own callsign soon. Ouch. I can't wait to hear the Paris controller call you "Cack tiiiiis."


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Thank you for a logical post, Green. And along the lines of TWADude, I think Doogie (and everyone else he has hired to look into this deal) has maybe, just maybe, a little more experience in this stuff than we do. Just a thought. But then again he probably is an idiot because he did retract a statement, and is at his current point of his career path only because of free handouts and pure luck.

Please read my above post for some logic. Doug is nervous and can already see his carrier alone in a sea of sharks. IF NW and DL get together, and UAL and CAL get together, USAir will be a distant 4th behind AA in size and scope. Desperation is Doug's problem. He can see the future.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[FlyWolf]

www.Southwest.com
about us tab, then click on
careers tab.

Very good idea SWA/FO, maybe second time is a charm

 

[LittleDeuce]

Creditors Committe urges a review

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/070110/nyw162.html?.v=69

Looks like the Fat Lady has sung.

 

[dtfl]

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/070110/nyw162.html?.v=69

Looks like the Fat Lady has sung.

Uhh no she hasnt - that's the unsecured, smaller group of creditors.

 

[Swaayze]

Starting to seem that something may actually happen here, possibly a break up of Delta. Hard to believe. Here's hoping that job losses are very minimal....

 

[FDJ2]

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/070110/nyw162.html?.v=69

Looks like the Fat Lady has sung.

"the Unofficial Committee of Unsecured Claimholders of Delta Air Lines, Inc. called upon the company to provide thoughtful and unbiased consideration to US Airways' enhanced offer."

Thanks for the good laugh. I also heard that Doug Parker's mother also wants DAL to give the proposal thoughtful consideration.:laugh:

 

[ironspud]

Now don't ya'll go fret'n yoselfs 'bout Mistah Gen-ral. He's got a burr stuck in his saddle and no 'mount reas'ng gonna change thangs. He's bound for dat coat'house now and theys gonna be H-E dubb'll hockey sticks to pay for mor'ng! Yassir I's do believes' it. Unhuh sure do's!

This is just way too much fun. GL thinks I'm in Korea while he's do'in his sister. Huh!

Yup.

Yassuh.

We be havn fun now.

 

[General Lee]

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/070110/nyw162.html?.v=69

Looks like the Fat Lady has sung.

Hey Little Duece, let me explain to you what the "sliver" group or UNofficial committee is all about. Read this, it explains it all (from the WSJ):


In conference calls yesteday with Deutsche Bank AG and Leman Brothers, bondholders were urged to band together to pressure Delta--which is under BK court protection--to fully consider the hostile bid from USAirways. The effort by both banks, which are Delta creditors, is aimed at creating a second group of crediotrs with some say in the airline's restructuring. Currently, the resturcturing ultimately must be approved by the official committee of unsecured creditors, which is dominated by much larger creditors."

"The outcome of the meetings wasn't immediately clear, and it remains to be seen how much leverage a splinter group could have in the takeover fight and it's strategy for exerting influence. The bondholders being pitched to combine forces represent 30% of the total $16 billion-18 billion claim that will eventually serve as the basis for dolling out equity in post BK Delta."

"The varied interests of individual creditors are likely to be a significant factor. Boeing Co., for example, is a long standing seller of aircraft to Delta, while USAirways is leaning towards Airbus. Other committee members include U.S. Bancorp, the PBGC, Coca Cola, and Fidelity." (also DALPA)

"The creation of an ad hoc creditor group in large BK cases isn't unusual, but some executives and employee groups have critisized such investors for their short term interests, rather than looking out for the longer range good of employees and companies trying to restructure."




Do you feel better? Where is that fat lady? Don't call Ironspud's wife that, not nice! (She misses him while he is on those 17 day trips )



Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Starting to seem that something may actually happen here, possibly a break up of Delta. Hard to believe. Here's hoping that job losses are very minimal....

Where did you get a break up of Delta? First off, the DOJ would never allow this because of the severe overlap (UA/US had only one hub overlap (IAD/DCA) and it was turned down---we have 3), and if for some reason they did, NWA will step in and DL management will endorse that deal, which will probably have about the same amount of money involved. USAir will be out in the cold, regardless. You need to relax pal.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[737 Pylt]

It doesn't make sense?

No!

Then why is Parker pursuing it?

Because he knows either DL/NWA is in the works or is afraid that the reemerged DL out of BK will kick the snot out of his company!

Why are people talking about it.

Really, what people, are you psychic? Perhaps you should worry more about your precious little airline about to be devoured by Air Tran!

There is a real good chance you'll be eating crow my friend. Sorry, it's life. Like I said before, overlap isn't going to be a factor.

All this intelligence, and yet you can't move out of the trailer park?
You are as clueless as you are predictable. Sorry, as you said, but DL will emerge out of BK, with or without US Airways. Either way, one thing will change, you will be a miserable little boy on the outside looking in!

Parker wants your international routes, some gates, and a presence in ATL.

He can wish in one hand and crap in the other, let's see which one gets filled first!

The rest will be sold off to the highest bidder.

Kind of like what Air Tran will do to your midwest airline hey chuckie??

Life goes on big guy.

So does it for you, unfortunately for the rest of us, you still won't change!
Good luck with your buyout from Air Tran. When the AT guys get done stapling you to the bottom of their list, I'll be the one having the last laugh!!!:laugh: :laugh:

737

 

[spinproof]

This is just way too much fun. GL thinks I'm in Korea while he's do'in his sister. Huh!

Yup.

Yassuh.

We be havn fun now.

Yassuh! Yassuh! Dats right! I knows youse right Missah Spud! Missah Gen-ral likes to keeps his biz'ness 'round family and all! Folks sayes dey all's looks like deys all the same..uh,uh, uhh!

Deys be sittn' on deys poach down dat Peachtree city rock'n and talk'n big and all....Deys all mad causing dis Missah Dug done gone and tried ta buy up old Tara! Uh,Uh Uhh!!!....

 

[PHXFLYR]

Hello? Anyone, anyone can see there is so much overlap it is ridiculous. Just because USAir doesn't fly from ATL or CVG to the same cities, doesn't mean there isn't overlap. You might not see it, then. Obvioulsy the other people in control, the Congress, don't like it, and will squash it if they want (just like they did with US/UA--they leaned on the DOJ and got it squashed)

Parker making those statements to the USAToday was one of the biggest blunders ever. My friends in PHX told me .........


You have friends in PHX???????? Who knew???!!!!??


PHXFLYR

 

[Saabslime]

You know as well as I do that taking capacity out of the system will NOT last long. Southwest and others will fill in the gaps, with lower wages for those people who were put out of work due to the original bad merger. --General Lee

Why did the USAir/AWA merger succeed? Because the Gov't saw there was little overlap and minimum job loss, with no small communities hurt. That is not the case here. Southwest and other low cost carriers will not fill in the gap. It will not happen. --General Lee

Mr. Lee, are you by any chance related to John Kerry? You, like the rest of us don't know jack about how this deal is going to end up.

 

[General Lee]

Mr. Lee, are you by any chance related to John Kerry? You, like the rest of us don't know jack about how this deal is going to end up.

Well, we all can make an educated guess, and I use history and current articles to back up my statements. You may have faith in your boss, but the rest of us want no part of it. His persistance will lead to his downfall, since he is pushing us into a larger merger that will pounce on him later. Look, Grinstein does not want to give up to Parker, and he will do whatever it takes to avoid that. That is fact.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[400ADude]

No!


Because he knows either DL/NWA is in the works or is afraid that the reemerged DL out of BK will kick the snot out of his company!


Really, what people, are you psychic? Perhaps you should worry more about your precious little airline about to be devoured by Air Tran!


All this intelligence, and yet you can't move out of the trailer park?
You are as clueless as you are predictable. Sorry, as you said, but DL will emerge out of BK, with or without US Airways. Either way, one thing will change, you will be a miserable little boy on the outside looking in!


He can wish in one hand and crap in the other, let's see which one gets filled first!

Kind of like what Air Tran will do to your midwest airline hey chuckie??


So does it for you, unfortunately for the rest of us, you still won't change!
Good luck with your buyout from Air Tran. When the AT guys get done stapling you to the bottom of their list, I'll be the one having the last laugh!!!:laugh: :laugh:

737

Getting a little nervous.

 

[Flys4Fun]

www.buildingabetterairline.com

 

[Swaayze]

Where did you get a break up of Delta? First off, the DOJ would never allow this because of the severe overlap (UA/US had only one hub overlap (IAD/DCA) and it was turned down---we have 3), and if for some reason they did, NWA will step in and DL management will endorse that deal, which will probably have about the same amount of money involved. USAir will be out in the cold, regardless. You need to relax pal.


Bye Bye--General Lee

I'm pretty relaxed actually, thanks buddy.

You make my point, the DOJ will probably not allow a standalone LCC purchase of DL, so bits and pieces would have to be spun off to meet anti-trust concerns. They've already discussed the shuttle sell-off and are now acknowledging that some CLT/ATL concerns will probably be addressed as well. With NWA and UAL interested in DAL and certainly not wanting to be left out in the end, do you really not think that a break-up is possible? Just refer again to the UAL-U deal to see how that can work, with AA stepping in to take U's 757 and F100 fleets. BTW, the UAL-U deal was, as others have stated, heavily rumored to be approved until UAL got cold feet in the 11th hour. If you don't call selling off the shuttle and parceling out some things to UAL and NWA a breakup - then I guess you're right.

Like I said, it just seems that it's heading that direction. I think we'd all be happy if it just dies on the vine, but it's more credible now than before I'm afraid (in a relaxed kinda way). Heck, maybe it'll be a complete purchase of DL and a breakup of LCC to satisfy the DOJ, I dunno. Methinks it's you that may need to relax a little.

 

[Green]

Where did you get a break up of Delta? First off, the DOJ would never allow this because of the severe overlap (UA/US had only one hub overlap (IAD/DCA) and it was turned down---we have 3), and if for some reason they did, NWA will step in and DL management will endorse that deal, which will probably have about the same amount of money involved. USAir will be out in the cold, regardless. You need to relax pal.


Bye Bye--General Lee

You realize General Lee that if this deal does go through you will have lost all credibility on this board....This is your personal flightinfo.com hail marry. What will you do with yourself if you have to retire from this board in shame? Better start thinking of a new screen name and set aside 10bucks for a membership....lol....

all in good fun

 

[800Dog]

You realize General Lee that if this deal does go through you will have lost all credibility on this board....This is your personal flightinfo.com hail marry. What will you do with yourself if you have to retire from this board in shame? Better start thinking of a new screen name and set aside 10bucks for a membership....lol....

all in good fun

I don't think the General has ever stated the deal will not go through. He believes it will not and tries to back up his beliefs with articles, quotes and his own opinion. At least he promotes healthy debate.

 

[General Lee]

I'm pretty relaxed actually, thanks buddy.

You make my point, the DOJ will probably not allow a standalone LCC purchase of DL, so bits and pieces would have to be spun off to meet anti-trust concerns. They've already discussed the shuttle sell-off and are now acknowledging that some CLT/ATL concerns will probably be addressed as well. With NWA and UAL interested in DAL and certainly not wanting to be left out in the end, do you really not think that a break-up is possible? Just refer again to the UAL-U deal to see how that can work, with AA stepping in to take U's 757 and F100 fleets. BTW, the UAL-U deal was, as others have stated, heavily rumored to be approved until UAL got cold feet in the 11th hour. If you don't call selling off the shuttle and parceling out some things to UAL and NWA a breakup - then I guess you're right.

Like I said, it just seems that it's heading that direction. I think we'd all be happy if it just dies on the vine, but it's more credible now than before I'm afraid (in a relaxed kinda way). Heck, maybe it'll be a complete purchase of DL and a breakup of LCC to satisfy the DOJ, I dunno. Methinks it's you that may need to relax a little.

You seemed to have missed the NWA and DL talk. There are plenty of other alternatives, and Parker knows this. Read the Bethune article I just posted. He stated marriage partners would have to make sense, and they would have to have complementary routes, like Asia and Europe. NWA and DL know this. There won't be pieces broken off, that is your speculation. Nah.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

You realize General Lee that if this deal does go through you will have lost all credibility on this board....This is your personal flightinfo.com hail marry. What will you do with yourself if you have to retire from this board in shame? Better start thinking of a new screen name and set aside 10bucks for a membership....lol....

all in good fun

Heck no. I can see a NWA/DL merge, but I can't see a US takeover. And no, I would never leave this board. I have almost 8000 posts. I will hit 10,000 by the Summer. As far as credibility, this is an opinion board, and I can give my opinion. I think this US takeover won't go, and I provide my proof with articles and speculation. And, I don't really care what anyone thinks on this board. I like the debate.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

www.buildingabetterairline.com

It is actually a weak site. The statements from analysts etc are old and most are from the Nov 15th announcement by USAir. Our site has statements from Government officials and more recent analyst statements. Keep Delta my Delta, or atleast stay away from USAir....I'll take freezing cold MSP walk arounds anyday.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[800Dog]

Heck no. I can see a NWA/DL merge, but I can't see a US takeover. And no, I would never leave this board. I have almost 8000 posts. I will hit 10,000 by the Summer. As far as credibility, this is an opinion board, and I can give my opinion. I think this US takeover won't go, and I provide my proof with articles and speculation. And, I don't really care what anyone thinks on this board. I like the debate.


Bye Bye--General Lee

At the current rate, I say you hit 10,000 well before summer. I say April 29th. Takers?