Question on Mins at Amer Eagle or other Regionals

[KozzyCFI]

A good friend of mine graduated from Embry-Riddle with high marks and now works for Flight Safety as a sim pilot. While he only has about 350 total time and only 25 or 30 hours of actual multiengine time, he has several hundred hours flying in the sims with Flight Safety in structured training environment. In fact, they gave him a full PIC type rating on the Falcon 900EX and a SIC type in the Falcon 50. He'd like to leave the sim world and go to a real airline. How likely is it that someone in his position could get a waiver on posted flight time minimums because of his jet experience and gain employment with American Eagle or another carrier??

 

[PiratePilot]

In 2004 when I was hired on at EGL they were letting riddle grads in with a 3.5 GPA or better with 400TT and 100 Multi. I think it's been lowered to 350TT and 100 multi. My advice to him would be to get his jet experience at EGL but keep his contacts at FSI and work for them on a part time basis to stay current, get out and get a corporate job flying a 50/900.

 

[viper548]

What's wrong with getting some real experince as a CFI?

 

[80for80]

What's wrong with getting some real experince as a CFI?

CFI's don't fly jets. He's got Jet A in his blood now with the Falcon type rating. It would be a step down to go CFI.

 

[Knob]

This one' got over 3 pages written all over it!

 

[Lear Wanna Be]

He should probably apply for a street captain position!

 

[momalley81]

CFI's don't fly jets. He's got Jet A in his blood now with the Falcon type rating. It would be a step down to go CFI.

Neither do sim instructors.

A type rating is just a piece of paper without any time in an airplane. You know, the kind that run on Jet A and not 220VAC.

Tell him to get some time CFI'ing or traffic watching or banner towing on the weekends to get his TT up, then network like crazy with all those corporate/charter guys!

He'd have better luck getting on as an FO with them, methinks.

 

[Lear Wanna Be]

This one' got over 3 pages written all over it!

At least

 

[Whiskerbizkit]

Why waste his time flying a RJ. He should land a job as a 777 CA somewhere, Thats what all the Riddle dorks tell me were they should be.

 

[rickair7777]

A good friend of mine graduated from Embry-Riddle with high marks and now works for Flight Safety as a sim pilot. While he only has about 350 total time and only 25 or 30 hours of actual multiengine time, he has several hundred hours flying in the sims with Flight Safety in structured training environment. In fact, they gave him a full PIC type rating on the Falcon 900EX and a SIC type in the Falcon 50. He'd like to leave the sim world and go to a real airline. How likely is it that someone in his position could get a waiver on posted flight time minimums because of his jet experience and gain employment with American Eagle or another carrier??

If you really have all those ratings, you should know the answer to this...

Sim time is not flight time.

Sometimes it can count towards things like night or IMC requirements, but not total time for hiring purposes.

 

[AvroGuy]

tell him to send out resumes, what is the worst that can happen. people on FI give him a hard time. Most know if they had the opportunity to get on with an airline at 350 and 50 they would have jumped all over it. I was in the military so I had time to build my total time and couldn't find a job so I CFIed. I woiuld definately work the FSI contacts though.

As far as sim time. As long as It is Level D I thoughdt everything was loggable hence the abbility to log landings and do a fully type ride in it.

 

[The Drizzle]

tell him he should have done an internship so he could cut the line like many ERAU interns.

 

[Rogue5]

How likely is it that someone in his position could get a waiver on posted flight time minimums because of his jet experience and gain employment with American Eagle or another carrier??

I'm confused: Your friend doesn't actually have any jet experience, let alone meet those flight time requirements...

 

[KozzyCFI]

If you really have all those ratings, you should know the answer to this...

Sim time is not flight time.

Sometimes it can count towards things like night or IMC requirements, but not total time for hiring purposes.

First of all, I do realize that sim time is not flight time, but I know how tight Eagle was on staffing when I worked for them, and I hear that they are even tighter now, so I just wondered if anyone knew if they'd make an exception now and then. And second of all, until you're brave enough to publicly list your own credentials, I'd suggest you not imply that my ratings are fake. Trust me, my friend, they're real. Once you finally get a type for yourself, we can talk. Until then, lets keep the content of this board focused on being productive and not degrading.

 

[KozzyCFI]

tell him he should have done an internship so he could cut the line like many ERAU interns.

Tell me, how exactly is it cutting line to have done an internship??

 

[The Drizzle]

Tell me, how exactly is it cutting line to have done an internship??

uh oh, i may have struck a nerve. one semester of ass-kissing to make up for years of hard work. maybe it is jealousy, but kids getting into a regional without flying anything more than their primary training, then onto a place like CAL who sucks up their interns in a heartbeat now. all this without ever having to get any experience the hard way, without really having to work a sh!tty job like the rest of us.

 

[The Drizzle]

uh oh, i may have struck a nerve. one semester of ass-kissing to make up for years of hard work. maybe it is jealousy, but kids getting into a regional without flying anything more than their primary training, then onto a place like CAL who sucks up their interns in a heartbeat now. all this without ever having to get any experience the hard way, without really having to work a sh!tty job like the rest of us.

oh yeah, with no PIC experience whatsoever

 

[KozzyCFI]

The thing is, you're simply jealous because they achieve goals that you only hope to acheive, and they do it much faster and with more ease. Are you trying to tell me that if you had the same opportunities that you'd say, "You know what, I know you want to offer me this position to fly for a major, and I know that I've wanted to do it all my life, but I just don't have enough experience yet. I think it's better that I do more flying for less pay and at worse companies. Give someone else a call before me." Because there's no way you'd ever say that. We all want to do well. We all want what's best and quickest for advancement. Sometimes we make the right choices, and sometimes we don't. The real man congratulates those who succeed and also seeks to emulate their success. I'm sorry you're unwilling to take the high road. Hopefully you will one day.

 

[The Drizzle]

The thing is, you're simply jealous because they achieve goals that you only hope to acheive, and they do it much faster and with more ease. Are you trying to tell me that if you had the same opportunities that you'd say, "You know what, I know you want to offer me this position to fly for a major, and I know that I've wanted to do it all my life, but I just don't have enough experience yet. I think it's better that I do more flying for less pay and at worse companies. Give someone else a call before me." Because there's no way you'd ever say that. We all want to do well. We all want what's best and quickest for advancement. Sometimes we make the right choices, and sometimes we don't. The real man congratulates those who succeed and also seeks to emulate their success. I'm sorry you're unwilling to take the high road. Hopefully you will one day.

So I'm going to guess that you are ERAU and an intern that made it then. I actually think i know who you are, K.F. maybe? If so, good on you. I had a choice to make, I made it. If you honestly think that a person that I described above isn't a liability, well really c'mon. There are much more qualified people out there then them, and no I don't feel myself qualified to be at a mainline carrier yet.

 

[AvroGuy]

no I don't feel myself qualified to be at a mainline carrier yet.

So what makes you qualified for a mainline job. Thousands of hours with the autopilot on or is it the military guy who has been in the single/two seat fighter doing 1.5 hr sorties flying in a lot of nice weather. I am not saying a fighter guys jobs is easy, but how often do they go fly off into weather or land with 1/2 mile vis and 100 OVC? I as because I really don't know. While I was in the military deployed to this one location, we canx severl missions becuase the AOR was cloudy. We were up flying but none of the little planes even left the ground..or maybe the military guy flying heavies, autopilot on. Maybe by the companies posted requirements. Or is it you don't feel personally qualified to be responsible for over 100 lives? Not an insult just curious.

 

[JohnnyP]

uh oh, i may have struck a nerve.

No, I think it is the other way around, someone struck a nerve with you. Just get over the fact that people have connections and can get the job with a few less hours than you did, move on, and do your job. Pretty simple really.

You bet if I had connections or an "in" somewhere i would be using them, nothing wrong with that at all. Its how the world works buddy......

 

[AvroGuy]

No, I think it is the other way around, someone struck a nerve with you. Just get over the fact that people have connections and can get the job with a few less hours than you did, move on, and do your job. Pretty simple really.

You bet if I had connections or an "in" somewhere i would be using them, nothing wrong with that at all. Its how the world works buddy......

How has the flying been lately? Nice and cold at night?

 

[JohnnyP]

.....

How has the flying been lately? Nice and cold at night?

Absolutely freezing (well for me at least, -15'ish C), almost cancelled some flights due to lack of feeling in fingers/toes.

 

[The Drizzle]

So what makes you qualified for a mainline job. Thousands of hours with the autopilot on or is it the military guy who has been in the single/two seat fighter doing 1.5 hr sorties flying in a lot of nice weather. I am not saying a fighter guys jobs is easy, but how often do they go fly off into weather or land with 1/2 mile vis and 100 OVC? I as because I really don't know. While I was in the military deployed to this one location, we canx severl missions becuase the AOR was cloudy. We were up flying but none of the little planes even left the ground..or maybe the military guy flying heavies, autopilot on. Maybe by the companies posted requirements. Or is it you don't feel personally qualified to be responsible for over 100 lives? Not an insult just curious.

I don't understand where you are going with the military stuff so i'm not sure what to say. As to my qualifications, I have 2 summers and 1.5 winters in a transport category aircraft. It is hubris if anybody with that little experience says they have fully experienced what they need to.

 

[The Drizzle]

No, I think it is the other way around, someone struck a nerve with you. Just get over the fact that people have connections and can get the job with a few less hours than you did, move on, and do your job. Pretty simple really.

You bet if I had connections or an "in" somewhere i would be using them, nothing wrong with that at all. Its how the world works buddy......

I'm man enough to admit there is jealousy, I did above too. I'm already working on my path to it. It isn't having friends and contacts I am against.

 

[KozzyCFI]

I don't understand where you are going with the military stuff so i'm not sure what to say. As to my qualifications, I have 2 summers and 1.5 winters in a transport category aircraft. It is hubris if anybody with that little experience says they have fully experienced what they need to.

You're right, by the way, I am KF and I won't apologize for the fact that I have been one of the lucky ones. I'm darn lucky and I'm the first to admit it. But I'll say this, too: you don't give yourself enough credit if you think you're not ready for a major. If CAL wanted only people with tons of flight hours, you're absolutely right, I wouldn't be flying for them today. But I think they believe that attitude is most important and skills can be taught. Besides, an airplane's an airplane's an airplane. The biggest difference between CAL and Eagle, imho, is not the size of airplane nor the number of people on them. The main difference is professionalism. From crew briefings to uniform appearance, the guys I fly with at CAL seem much more concerned about doing things the right way than at Eagle. Much less cowboy. It's the type of operation that makes a major different...flying all hours of the night, across oceans, into strange lands with difficult approaches and language barriers. But you can succeed in that environment just like me or anyone else can. Lets be honest, VNAV and autothrottles take half the flying part out of this job compared to the RJ. But there's more than that. It's attitude and a willingness to learn that make the difference.

 

[rickair7777]

First of all, I do realize that sim time is not flight time, but I know how tight Eagle was on staffing when I worked for them, and I hear that they are even tighter now, so I just wondered if anyone knew if they'd make an exception now and then. And second of all, until you're brave enough to publicly list your own credentials, I'd suggest you not imply that my ratings are fake. Trust me, my friend, they're real. Once you finally get a type for yourself, we can talk. Until then, lets keep the content of this board focused on being productive and not degrading.

Perhaps I was a bit abrupt, but it's hard to take things at face value on FI.

Unfortunately my flight background is sufficiently unusual to make me readily identifiable to anyone who knows me, and I like to retain the flexibility to speak my mind without worrying about what past and current employers may think.

 

[The Drizzle]

You're right, by the way, I am KF and I won't apologize for the fact that I have been one of the lucky ones. I'm darn lucky and I'm the first to admit it. But I'll say this, too: you don't give yourself enough credit if you think you're not ready for a major. If CAL wanted only people with tons of flight hours, you're absolutely right, I wouldn't be flying for them today. But I think they believe that attitude is most important and skills can be taught. Besides, an airplane's an airplane's an airplane. The biggest difference between CAL and Eagle, imho, is not the size of airplane nor the number of people on them. The main difference is professionalism. From crew briefings to uniform appearance, the guys I fly with at CAL seem much more concerned about doing things the right way than at Eagle. Much less cowboy. It's the type of operation that makes a major different...flying all hours of the night, across oceans, into strange lands with difficult approaches and language barriers. But you can succeed in that environment just like me or anyone else can. Lets be honest, VNAV and autothrottles take half the flying part out of this job compared to the RJ. But there's more than that. It's attitude and a willingness to learn that make the difference.

glad you are who i thought you were, because i know you are a good guy. a person without the erau enitlement. when i feel i'm ready, i'll make the move with all my effort and get out of this absolute circus i'm at now. I look foreward to the higher level or professionalism. for the most part, i was in a sh!tty mood last night. have a good one.

 

[Muppets]

Funny how nice everyone becomes when they found out who each other are. Fuzzy CFI is right....CAL wants pilots with attitude and that is exactly what I see from their gate agents to their flight crews every time i jumpseat on them. P.S. Continental Crews (EWR)....your $hit stinks just like every other human on earth.

 

[Muppets]

sorry its Kozzy (not fuzzy).........my bad.