Signs of Impending Doom?

[ponder]

everyone keeps mentioning fuel as a tell all sign but correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this the regional board and most don't pay for the fuel. United pays the fuel for their express, delta for theirs and so on.

The other thing to mention here is just because your company
is about to go under, does not necessarily mean you should
jump ship. Usually it does, but you have to be careful about
making career moves because everybody in your old crew
room thought it was a good idea.

 

[apache]

Black Hawk gave the correct answer. There is a progression beginning with management providing all direction when times are good/average/bad. When things are seriously looking bad, management starts looking for ways to blame others. They first hire consultants at high prices to take the blame. Then they appeal to the workers for input and sacrafice. After they have paid lip service to labor about taking advice for efficiency, they revert back to blaming the pilots for everything. We could of, should of, would of made it had the pilots not been greedy and uncooperative. All the while, management has had resumes out and have been taking home all of the office supplies and anything else not nailed down.

Three months later, when you see the old chief pilot at the job fair, he tells you all about how he was screwed along with the rest of you and that you wouldn't believe how hard he was working for you guys behind the scenes. This is the old nazi, I was just following orders defense.

Seriously, if you think that your company is about to tank, take my advice and do not get sick or injured because the company may not be paying your health insurance premiums. Your health insurance company WILL NOT inform you when the company is not paying, and they will conspire to leave you HIGH AND DRY on any medical claims during this period. I have seen this firsthand and people in management and at the insurance company should go to jail for this, but it happens and they get away with it. Good luck!

 

[Lear70]

The other thing to mention here is just because your company
is about to go under, does not necessarily mean you should
jump ship. Usually it does, but you have to be careful about
making career moves because everybody in your old crew
room thought it was a good idea.

Very true.

Every once in a while it works the other way around. I was one of the only people preparing for the worst and had my ducks in a row when the sh*t hit the fan.

Everyone else was stuck without a job in the aftermath of 9/11, a lot of great guys went a LONG time without work.

Kit Darby put it best: the best time to look for your new job is while you're currently employed at your old one. Always keep one ear to the ground, your logbooks updated, and your resumes hot in recruiters hands until you make the majors, and even then it's best to be prepared.

Good luck to you!

 

[apache]

Kit Darby put it best: the best time to look for your new job is while you're currently employed at your old one. Always keep one ear to the ground, your logbooks updated, and your resumes hot in recruiters hands until you make the majors, and even then it's best to be prepared.

Good luck to you!

Even a broken clock is correct twice a day. It also helps Kit's bottom line to keep even those still employed scared and buying his line of shi+.

In my opinion, of course.

 

[Lear70]

Even a broken clock is correct twice a day. It also helps Kit's bottom line to keep even those still employed scared and buying his line of shi+.

In my opinion, of course.

This is true...

His help also helped me stay gainfully employed through two furloughs.

Take it for what it's worth...

 

[TAWS]

This is true...

His help also helped me stay gainfully employed through two furloughs.

Take it for what it's worth...

You don't give yourself enough credit - YOU kept you gainfully employed, not Kit Darby. He is one of the problems we are facing today - constantly yapping about a shortage (there is no such thing) and encouraging kids to drop $100K+ on an aviation degree, only to earn $18k for their first year.

Kit is a bullsh!t artist thru and thru. He exists for Kit and only for Kit.

Buyer beware.

 

[Lear70]

Yeah, well, I don't think he's a philanthropist or anything...

 

[doh]

I'm curious if anyone has been employed at a 121 op that closed doors suddenly. Were there signs? What was going on in the last few months? IndyAir? I don't recall that being a sudden close. How did things go down there?

I ask, seriously, because many folks I know are wondering the same things. Will XX airline survive the next few months? Tons of folks are bailing and the remainder are trying to figure out what the future will bring.

Any hints would be appreciated.

The surest sign your airline is about to go tats up is if you work for Comair! jmo

 

[RJP]

they revert back to blaming the pilots for everything.

Well, if that's the case, they should've closed doors years ago.

 

[suupah]

Read the news and stay current on Flightinfo!
If in doubt don't wait it out run like He!! as you are just a #, a cog in the wheel, a feather in a wing, a..... well youget the picture.

a brick in the wall, a tic on the clock, a slice of the loaf, a dot on the matrix, a drop in the bucket

 

[Princedietrich]

A glaring example of an airline that is bleeding to death: One of the airplanes comes due for a C check and is taken off line, and a couple months later you see a picture of it, or actually what's LEFT of it, at the end of Death Row at Pinal Airpark.

 

[Minimaniac]

When new hire classes are postponed, and the recruiters leave for new opportunities, you know its coming. (Yes, I am talking about you, ACA)

 

[list2002]

It would not only mean the end of many local jobs, but alas the end of the best thread ever to grace flight info...

 

[fly4surf]

ok then, back to the real thread.

 

[Cheese Blood]

Come to PDT, you can experience it first hand!

 

[DrewBlows]

It would not only mean the end of many local jobs, but alas the end of the best thread ever to grace flight info...

Island Air?

 

[islandhopper]

RJP you never know! Two shining examples of airlines that EVERYBODY thought were going to tank were USAir and Aloha.

Both are still here.

USAir almost shut down at least twice and Aloha almost three times.

It took Pan Am 20 years to stop flying.

Airlines die hard.

Give it a chance. Ride the puppy out to the end and you just may end up very senior at an airline everybody thought was going to die but later becomes something good again.

 

[pilotyip]

Back from the dead

Some die hard as above, some die almost instantly, i.e. Braniff I in 1982. Of course then again the Braniff came back from the dead twice, only problem it was still dead.