Delta RFP awarded....

[thebest]

My point is that ALPA can help a pilot group get their fair share when a company is raking in the profits, and when the company is in bankruptcy, there's not much anyone can do. SAPA can't even get us a raise to keep up with inflation when the company is making money hand over fist.

So back to your questions: How is ALPA helping Comair now? They are forcing the company to prove in court that they need to take paycuts. Until that time, they are being paid what they negotiated and agreed to.

How did ALPA help UAL in 2001? You mean after 9/11/2001? After the worst attacks this country has ever seen? After 2 of their airliners were hijacked and destroyed? After a huge downturn in travel? Are you suggesting SAPA should have been consulted by the UAL pilots and their pay would have been preserved? What's your point?

FedEx don't need help. How insightful. But can you concede that without ALPA, FedEx management wouldn't pay the pilots what they do? Can you concede that management would argue "supply and demand." With so few good jobs out there the past 5 years, FedEx could have paid far less and still been swamped with applications. Can you concede that ALPA might have had a hand in keeping their pay at or near the top of the industry?

Probably not, because you are blinded by your ideology. I just don't get it.

Ya, you just don't get it. alpa can help a company get their fair share when the company is raking in profits.... http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/12-05-2006/0004486034&EDATE= $50 mill projected.....Try again! They are losing airplanes, WHAT IS ALPO DOING TO HELP?
The idea of a union is to keep things good for the workers and not pushed around when things are good or bad. Well, things got bad and alpa crumbled like the useless pieces of sht they are! No help here boyz, ya are on your own.
Comair and alpo in court. Delta said they are still giving the flying away even if comair takes cuts, GREAT JOB AGAIN ALPO!
The frieght side of this is GRAVY! Good place for alpa to be hangin around because that is where the cash is. Then tell the weak minded that alpa really helps!
Did I say anything about sapa and ual talking....stop listening to the voices.

 

[jayme]

Comair is in BANKRUPTCY COURT! The COURT has taken away their rights. That can be appealed. There is a legal process. And as far as I know, Comair ALPA has no influence over Delta management. ALPA can't make Delta management's decisions. Do you know something I don't?

When I said "I just don't get it." I meant your intense ideology.

FedEx is gravy, huh? What induces FedEx management to pay top wages? Benevolence?

As far as my point about UAL: YOU asked how ALPA helped UAL. I explained the situation (Massive terrorist attack, world-wide economic downturn... remember?). ALPA had no leverage since UAL filed Ch 11. You want to know how ALPA remedied the situation?! What the fck do you think ALPA, or SAPA, or anybody else could do for those pilots? So to make my point, I suggested SAPA could do no better.

I feel like I'm being condescending having to explain my points to you like this. It's not because I WANT to explain things to you like you're a child. It's because I feel like I HAVE to.

 

[jayme]

One more thing: what makes FedEx pilots want to keep ALPA on property? If it's so easy for FedEx pilots to get paid well, why are they throwing away 1.9 % of their wages?

I'm guessing they are more familiar with the reasons than you. I am also guessing they feel their dues are a good investment.

 

[SkyNation]

jayme,

an honest question. did you know SkyWest was not an ALPA carrier when you interviewed and accepted the job? do you believe EVERY airline MUST have a union, or ALPA specifically?

 

[joe_pilot]

As much as I don't care for the cmr group, I think that sucks!
I wonder how the skyw pilots feel about this?

737

I for one don't like it.

 

[jayme]

jayme,

an honest question. did you know SkyWest was not an ALPA carrier when you interviewed and accepted the job? do you believe EVERY airline MUST have a union, or ALPA specifically?

Sure did. I liked the fact that a union wasn't necessary. But relations went downhill fast after the "deal Capt. Holt an ace" BS. I was here then. Were you?

Were you aware that ALPA was voted down by less than 50 votes in 2000? Were you aware that UPA failed narrowly in 2005 despite a shoestring budget against the deep pockets of Skywest Inc?

Not every airline needs a union. Had SW continued to act ethically, this wouldn't be an issue.

 

[CFIT]

UPA failed by a large margin, if I recall they only got about 25% of the required votes. The last ALPA vote was barely defeated, like maybe 6 votes. Now ALPA can't even get close, from what I hear they have only got around 30% percent of the pilot group to send in cards, not enough for the 50% needed and no where close to the 75% that ALPA wants.

The ALPA OC has been very hush hush about the dismal performance so far, maybe ALPA isn't the way to go?

 

[viper01]

Does anyone know who won the remaining RFP!

 

[sXeflyer]

Does anyone know who won the remaining RFP!

Why are you getting off the subject?? oh wait....

 

[SkyNation]

thanks jayme

 

[Andy Neill]

Were you aware that UPA failed narrowly in 2005 despite a shoestring budget against the deep pockets of Skywest Inc?

I sure wasn't. I thought it was more like 2:1 against. Am I dealing with a false memory... or perhaps are you?


[EDIT:
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=32656&highlight=UPA

Comment on 1st page says 70:30 against in April 2004]

 

[ATRCA]

Why are you getting off the subject?? oh wait....

ExressJet of course. We will be doing DAL flying from SLC.

 

[jayme]

I sure wasn't. I thought it was more like 2:1 against. Am I dealing with a false memory... or perhaps are you?

I guess I remember it being relatively close because of the David and Goliath thingy. I'm sure you remember the numbers closer than I do.

 

[B727FA]

Does anyone know who won the remaining RFP!

Colgan.

 

[BeachBummer]

Colgan.

HAHAHAA no really who won