BBJ FO bid

[NJA bound]

wonder how senior it's gonna go

 

[Ultra Grump]

My guess is #1800-1850. It's a paycut for any captain. $60k - 72k/yr, most guys here 2+ yrs will probably wait for upgrade. Though I guess since you can't be seatlocked from upgrade, who knows?

 

[NJA bound]

I'd put money on that too, it'll go right around a Nov '04 hire date. 60K + overtime and holiday and all those extended days, 100K ain't bad for a two year employee, dam, wish I would've hired on a year earlier.

 

[RTRHD]

I'd put money on that too, it'll go right around a Nov '04 hire date. 60K + overtime and holiday and all those extended days, 100K ain't bad for a two year employee, dam, wish I would've hired on a year earlier.

I thought the BBJ's hardly flew. I was talking to a crew at breakfast in IAD and they were planning dinner. I asked how they could do that and they told me they never flew.

 

[gunfyter]

Thats right. But BBJ guys are bidding back to the Falcon.

 

[Diesel]

no way would i go to the bbj. You know how boring it gets sitting in hotels the whole tour because you never fly. No thanks.

 

[NJA bound]

Well we'll see what happens soon, the bid for 1 BBJ FO was posted Nov 30th and closes Dec 8th.

If they're not flying a lot than you could still make around 80 grand on the reserve schedule with a few holidays and extended days. On the 7 day schedule 65K should be feasible, not bad for not flying much.

 

[RTRHD]

Man that is a lot to vacume!!!

 

[NJA bound]

My guess is #1800-1850. It's a paycut for any captain. $60k - 72k/yr, most guys here 2+ yrs will probably wait for upgrade. Though I guess since you can't be seatlocked from upgrade, who knows?

You would be seat locked for two years Grump, the bid post states "Locks shall not apply for bidding into the BBJ program"

I believe the seat lock waiver for upgrade is only on your initial seat lock.

 

[Ultra Grump]

You would be seat locked for two years Grump, the bid post states "Locks shall not apply for bidding into the BBJ program"

I believe the seat lock waiver for upgrade is only on your initial seat lock.

5.3(a)(i) Equipment locks do not restrict New Hire First Officers from bidding and being awarded their first Captain position in any aircraft type.

5.3(a)(ii)(2)...the seat lock will not restrict the First Officer from bidding and being awarded a Captain position in any aircraft

5.3(a)(iii)(3)...the seat lock will not restrict the First Officer from bidding and being awarded a Captain position in any aircraft.

5.3(b)A Crewmember who bids and is awarded a Captain position or a First Officer position shall incur a two (2) year equipment and seat lock from the date of the bid award. Equipment locks shall not apply for bidding into the BBJ program.

You cannot be locked out of upgrade, and your quote means you will be released from equipment locks if you bid into the BBJ program. Although, on reading more closely, you may be locked out of upgrade for 2 years if you were to bid into another SIC slot. Interesting. The Blue Book is not clear on this, just refers one to the contract.

 

[On Your Six]

Heck, I'd bid BBJ FO if I had the opportunity. Why not? You likely won't fly anything that big or spacious for the rest of your career there unless you start getting into the sports team market, etc. Why not get some BBJ time? You can fly Falcons and Gulfstreams for the rest of your career. You may spend time at FBOs, but they are probably nice FBOs in desireable places I would imagine. Plus, no TEB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[cush]

Heck, I'd bid BBJ FO if I had the opportunity. Why not?

2 reasons: $$$, and I don't need any shots for diseases i've never heard of.

 

[Fozzy]

but they are probably nice FBOs in desireable places I would imagine.

HA! I would not take that bet.

 

[Mach92]

If I was not making the BLING I would do it. However it is a pay cut for any CAPT.

 

[gunfyter]

Went in low 500's

 

[RTRHD]

Well thats pretty senior. Right?

 

[gunfyter]

About 1300 senior to where the last award went.

 

[NJA bound]

Pretty good pay cut too, $99,600. base pay to $60,000. base, just took a 40 grand pay cut.

 

[Guitar Guy]

But he's getting a free 737 type rating, though. I'd be curious to know why he wanted to move to the BBJ: does he want more time off, does he just want to fly a BBJ, or does he want the type for something else?

 

[Diesel]

The type is no good its a 737IGWNG or something like that. Basically it only applies to BBJ's

 

[RNObased]

If you knew him you would understand. Maybe.
It is a wacky move in my book, but whatever.

 

[Diesel]

You have to look at the bigger picture.

 

[pilot370]

If it went to the 500's that would mean he/she has been there for maybe 6-7 years. So would they then be a 6 or 7 year FO under the BBJ pay? If so it's not as big a paycut.

 

[notaNJApilot]

it's a huge pay cut. class 4 and 5 pay goes by years in program, not years of service.

some people do weird things. last EZ bid went to a BBJ PIC.

 

[Mach92]

Maybe he will turn the bid down or he is flush with cash. I never heard of the guy go figure.

 

[Ultra Grump]

You have to look at the bigger picture.

Didn't you get the memo? We don't get to look at the big picture.

 

[RNObased]

You have to look at the bigger picture.

Ahh, yes the big picture. I thought I saw the big picture once, but it turned out to just be a picture of some dogs playing cards.

 

[HAZ-MAT]

You have to look at the bigger picture.

I was told only the people that have been at NJA for more than 30 years are allowed to look behind the curtain to see "the big picture."

 

[Diesel]

Remember the base pay in the bbj is just that the base pay.

If you're willing to do special ops stuff (read month on month of) you can make 3 times your base pay. Add a month of perdiem and you can really crank out some cash.

Of course you have to be willing to be gone for a month straight. But the scenery is nice and you used to get all the free DVD's you can get your hands on.

Speaking of which where is that Rosetta Stone I got.

 

[Archie Bunker]

Remember the base pay in the bbj is just that the base pay.

If you're willing to do special ops stuff (read month on month of) you can make 3 times your base pay. Add a month of perdiem and you can really crank out some cash.

Hopefully this guy will take advantage of the special ops stuff. He's going to need it.

I looked this guy up, and he is a Jan 2000 hire/G-200 PIC. That's year 8 pay next month, which comes to $99,600 on the 7/7 schedule, and $118,207 on reserve. That equates to one heck of a pay cut, if he doesn't get any special deals. Ouch!