Boeing not building extra a/c for best customer?

[SWA/FO]

http://www.hellocompany.org/entry/b...makes-boeing-turn-away-most-coveted-customer/

No one is more important to Boeing than Southwest. If Boeing is not willing to raise production and build for Southwest, you can be sure they won’t accommodate anyone else.

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[DonVerita]

Typical.

 

[Shrek]

Smart.

 

[DonVerita]

I meant typical that SWA/FO would post this self-described highlight.

 

[SWA/FO]

BEST customer!!! dats what is sez.....

 

[RP 04]

BEST customer!!! dats what is sez.....

SWA... is that the same airline that ran off the runway at MDW last winter?

 

[B727Driver]

MDY???? new destination? nice one dumba$$

 

[SWA/FO]

SWA... is that the same airline that ran off the runway at MDY last winter?

You must be thinking about someone else. Nice try kitty. (More like slid off.)

 

[Big Beer Belly]

http://www.hellocompany.org/entry/b...makes-boeing-turn-away-most-coveted-customer/



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I've heard there's not much profit in building those little airplanes.

BBB

 

[GuppyWN]

Can you say 787 SP.

Gup

 

[Shrek]

I was thinking that the dreamliner and its variants could be the replacement for all the SWA 73's but this is the first time I have heard it from someone else......

 

[SizzleChest]

But by "sliding off" it triggered a new Ops Spec you all will see coming your way...

 

[TexaSWA]

I've heard there's not much profit in building those little airplanes.

BBB

You might be right, or else we'd be building them ourselves.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

Right now the 787 is more important than the 737, you will see why this is coming up in the future.

 

[GuppyWN]

The 787 is the narrowbody of the future. It's lighter, faster, farther with more payload.

I'm not predicting or flame baiting but I wouldn't be surprised at all to see the 787 take Southwest overseas/Hawaii by about 2012. I think our options/orders expire then.

Gup

 

[YourPilotFriend]

The 787 is the narrowbody of the future. It's lighter, faster, farther with more payload.

I'm not predicting or flame baiting but I wouldn't be surprised at all to see the 787 take Southwest overseas/Hawaii by about 2012. I think our options/orders expire then.

Gup

The operational savings of the 787 by fuel alone offsets the cost of adding another fleet type to the SWA model; something to think about. Although 2012 is a little soon, this airplane's order slots are being eaten up. I expect NWA to exercise its options on the rest of the 50 airplanes, and lease a significant number of those to other airlines.

 

[ASApuppy]

Southwest's buying power squeezed Boeing's profit on each airframe to around $1 million per airframe. Compare that to the $16 million for a BBJ, or the $100 million for a 747-400F. In other words, Boeing made more money in 6 widebody freighters than in all of the airplanes they made for SWA.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Boeing has an opportunity and problem with the technology from the 787 and how it is applied to a 737 replacement. The 737 has been a cash cow for Boeing. That cash is needed. But, when they replace the 737 with an airplane offering 15% to 20% better operating cost the 737 book is going to dry up in favor of the better airplane.

Boeing could be watching out for their best customer.

Would you rather be the first customer for the 2010 model 797, or the last customer for a 1960's design which has been optimized with 1970's engines?

 

[170B]

Someone (mngmnt type) shared this info during training this past summer:

Boeing will build its last 737 in 2012.

Boeing has offered to build SWA a 787 in any configuration that SWA wants.

No info on SWA's response to Boeing.

Purely, 100% unsubtsantiated rumor...

 

[LearAv8r]

Southwest's buying power squeezed Boeing's profit on each airframe to around $1 million per airframe. Compare that to the $16 million for a BBJ, or the $100 million for a 747-400F. In other words, Boeing made more money in 6 widebody freighters than in all of the airplanes they made for SWA.

While that may be true that the profit margins on the aircraft sold to SWA were not as good as other sales that they may have had, you can't forget that not all their profits are in the sales. They do manufacture parts. With over 450 Boeing a/c that SWA has I am sure that Boeing has sold many many "widgits" for some profit. There is more to the story than just initial sales.

 

[Uniform Shop]

http://www.hellocompany.org/entry/bo...eted-customer/


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No one is more important to Boeing than Southwest. If Boeing is not willing to raise production and build for Southwest, you can be sure they won’t accommodate anyone else.
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Air Berlin orders 60 Boeing jets

Oh well

 

[Quimby]

SWA... is that the same airline that ran off the runway at MDW last winter?

so, how big is your glass house?

 

[SiuDude]

The 787 is the narrowbody of the future. It's lighter, faster, farther with more payload.

I'm not predicting or flame baiting but I wouldn't be surprised at all to see the 787 take Southwest overseas/Hawaii by about 2012. I think our options/orders expire then.

Gup

It's a widebody (twin isle).

 

[Whataburger]

I've heard there's not much profit in building those little airplanes.

BBB

You wouldn't think it is little if it ran over your foot.

 

[JimNtexas]

American companies are often critized for focusing only on the next quarter, and not paying attention to the long view.

It sounds like someone at Boeing understands that booms are often followed by busts and therefore are in fact taking a long term view of their companies health.

And any salesman will tell you that people want what they can't have.

 

[Quimby]

You wouldn't think it is little if it ran over your foot.

that rocks.imp:

I wonder what it's like to drive them big jets?

 

[GuppyWN]

Boeing has already announced plans to terminate the 737 line. If we can get by on 500 used jets to cover the 48 why wouldn't we look international? That's what I was saying. United bailed their ass out of the deep end with international flying. That's where the lions share of revenue comes from.

It's pretty closed minded to think SWA will not be an international carrier before my generation retires.

Gup

 

[YourPilotFriend]

Boeing has already announced plans to terminate the 737 line. If we can get by on 500 used jets to cover the 48 why wouldn't we look international? That's what I was saying. United bailed their ass out of the deep end with international flying. That's where the lions share of revenue comes from.

It's pretty closed minded to think SWA will not be an international carrier before my generation retires.

Gup

I'm pretty sure it will be merged into the other carriers. Which, will happen over Kellher's dead body. Once he kicks off the airline corporate raiders will come in.

 

[ASApuppy]

Boeing has an opportunity and problem with the technology from the 787 and how it is applied to a 737 replacement. The 737 has been a cash cow for Boeing. That cash is needed. But, when they replace the 737 with an airplane offering 15% to 20% better operating cost the 737 book is going to dry up in favor of the better airplane.

Boeing could be watching out for their best customer.

Would you rather be the first customer for the 2010 model 797, or the last customer for a 1960's design which has been optimized with 1970's engines?

Sorry Fins, but you have it backwards. The 737 line is what pays the bills and keeps a steady employment force. The 747 is the cash cow for Boeing. Followed closely by the other widebodies. All the follow on parts and support is gravy. Keep in mind, most things that break on an airplane are vendor supplied, not manufacture supplied. Think, engines, brakes, avionics, actuators, seats, etc.

Also, in order to maximize efficencies in a new design, you will need to let go of the old ones. You can not keep the architecture the same and put new skin on it. That is what the 737 NG is. The NG would have been a couple of percentage points better if SWA didn't insist on common type ratings and Boeing would have been able to make it a mini 777. But, I respect their choices. Airplane design is all about compromises.

 

[mdf]

I'm pretty sure it will be merged into the other carriers. Which, will happen over Kellher's dead body. Once he kicks off the airline corporate raiders will come in.

Where do you come up with this stuff? First it's SWA will be bankrupt by 2009, then it's they will be bankrupt in 6 months, and now they will merge with other carriers once Herb's dead. Your so dang theatrical.