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Have you seen the design of Piper's new VLJ - the Piper Jet? Pretty interesting looking with its one engine through the tail - looks sorta like a DC-10. The size is a bit bigger than the Meridian (looks like a Meridian with an engine on the tail).

Not sure if all of these VLJs will actually end up flying, but you gotta hand it to the designers - pretty inventive stuff. Looks like the Piper Jet has side sticks like the Eclipse and Cirrus aircraft as well.

Anyone know how many of the Piper Jets have been ordered thusfar? $2.2 million per aircraft.

http://www.newpiper.com/piperjet/

Note the article below:

Piper joins jet set at $2.2 million

By EVE SAMPLES
Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, October 17, 2006

VERO BEACH — After 70 years in the plane-making business, Piper Aircraft Inc. today unveiled its first jet: a svelte, single-engine six-seater that the company is calling a "sport utility jet." The PiperJet, as it's been dubbed, will start at $2.2 million, and company executives expect deliveries will begin during the first half of 2010.
"This brings us to the realization of a long-term goal and dream for Piper," President and Chief Executive Officer James Bass said at the National Business Aviation Association's 59th annual convention in Orlando, where the plane debuted.
The target market: operator-owners who will use the plane for business and pleasure.
"We think it's huge market potential, obviously," said Piper spokesman Mark Miller.

Although Vero Beach-based Piper has developed more than 180 aircraft models, the PiperJet is its first foray into the jet market.
The plane fits into the industry's growing "very light jet" segment, which has gained popularity among owner-operators and air taxi companies such as Delray Beach-based DayJet Corp.

Piper has not determined how many jobs will be added to make the jets, or whether it will manufacture them at its Vero Beach headquarters or elsewhere. The decision will depend on what kinds of incentives local communities offer, Miller said.
"It's premature to even go there," he said. "But we are not blocking out other areas."

Piper, which is owned by Bethesda, Md.-based American Capital Strategies Ltd. (Nasdaq: ACAS), employs about 1,050 in Vero Beach.
Bass said it's possible that Piper will establish a joint manufacturing facility with Honda Motor Co. Ltd., which announced in July it will debut its first jet in three to four years.
"All bets are open right now," he explained. "We're exploring multiple possibilities, and that's one of them."
Wherever it opens, the production line will need to be up and running by 2009, Bass added.
Piper and Honda will work together on service and sales of their respective jets, creating an alliance between two of the biggest names in transportation manufacturing.
Five new Piper sales centers across the country will provide the framework for the partnership, Bass announced today.
"We will locate with Honda in facilities in order to sell the PiperJet and HondaJet together," he said.
The two firms won't compete for customers, Piper officials believe, in large part because Piper's jet is smaller and less expensive than the HondaJet. Honda has said it intends to reveal pricing for its jet at the aviation group's conference.

Honda and Piper are the latest to enter the market for very light jets, also known as micro-jets, a field that is growing increasingly crowded.
With leather seats, docking stations for personal electronics and cup holders, the PiperJet is heavy on luxury. In the six-seat configuration, it will include an enclosed lavatory. Without the lavatory, the aircraft will seat seven.
"It's a very upscale jet," Miller said.
Though it will have only one engine, the PiperJet will travel at speeds comparable to some double-engine light jets, he said. Top cruising speed is 414 mph, and it will be able to travel 1,300 miles without refueling, the company reported. But there could be obstacles. Other single-engine jets have not been very successful in the market, said Raymond Jaworowski, senior aerospace analyst with Newton, Conn.-based Forecast International Inc.
"Some people just prefer the safety and the redundance of twin engines," Jaworowski said. "That's not to say it's not going to work. I mean, the Piper name goes a long way."

The PiperJet has shown early signs of success. Without seeing a model or specifications, some customers have put down $10,000 deposits.
"Even before having unveiled the jets, we have scores of orders," Miller said, citing the strength of Piper's reputation.
Name recognition definitely will boost the product's chances, Jaworowski said.
"The business aircraft market tends to be kind of conservative," he said. "There's a lot of brand loyalty."
 
the mockup was interesting at nbaa
 
the mockup was interesting at nbaa

Looks a lot more "sporty" and comfortable than an Eclipse. Sure, it's $600K more expensive than an Eclipse and it won't be around until 2009 or so, but makes you wonder how many Eclipse owners (those who put deposits down for orders) wish they had waited for some of the newer designs. I suppose they could trade up when the Piper Jet arrives later. I hear Cirrus will offer a VLJ as well at some point.
 
The fact that it is a single may play a part in how well it sells. Anyone know how much thrust it will have?
 
I think it is a stupid design. Having the engine up like that killed alot of Lake Amphib. owners cause they didn't understand that when you add power in that configuration, the nose goes down and when you reduce power - nose goes up. Now just add jet power - yikes. I guess the good thing is that Pipers will no loger be nose heavy - lol
 
Just curious what people think about these VLJs like the Eclipse, Honda Jet, Piper Jet, etc. Do you think that small corporations will buy these things for themselves or that the VLJ market will be primarily dominated by owner-operated and air-taxi operations?

If small corporations (maybe law firms or small manufacturers) purchase these, then these VLJs could represent good opportunities for budding corporate pilots as they start out - or maybe good opps for existing corporate pilots who want an easier lifestyle (if the hours are not too demanding). Obviously pay levels will be a critical factor but I would expect VLJ pilots to be paid what King Air 350 or P180 pilots make - right? Nobody knows at this time what Eclipse (non DayJet) or Piper Jet pilots would make, but it will be interesting to see where the compensation bar ends up. There should be some great glass-time building opportunities for younger pilots out there in the future.
 
This could well prove to be the R.J. of the corporate market. Can we all agree to stick together when these things hit the market and remember that we'll still be IN A JET at FL400.
 
This could well prove to be the R.J. of the corporate market. Can we all agree to stick together when these things hit the market and remember that we'll still be IN A JET at FL400.

That's a great analogy.

Obviously PICs (single pilot or otherwise) will most likely garner the same or slightly higher wages than turbo prop pilots (B350, P180, etc.) while SICs (light weight I presume) won't make much but instead use the opportunity to get some good glass/jet time. The question will be how the air-taxi or Frax operators like DayJet in Florida or Jet Alliance in California impact overall VLJ wages. Part of the attraction of a VLJ is the low-cost aspect and pilot wages will represent a high percentage of the overall operating cost - that could be an issue with some of the "cheaper" operators.
 
I think it is a stupid design. Having the engine up like that killed alot of Lake Amphib. owners cause they didn't understand that when you add power in that configuration, the nose goes down and when you reduce power - nose goes up. Now just add jet power - yikes. I guess the good thing is that Pipers will no loger be nose heavy - lol

Yes, but will it come fully equipped with the standard Piper "whistle"? How else would we know it's on final?

C
 
So, when that single engine sitting atop that tail takes a few geese down the hatch and has a catastrophic un-contained failure, do ya figure it'll take the tail with it?

Hmmmm....

....sleep well....
 

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