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Skyslug,
Furlough could happen at any airline. Reserve is something new-hires need to deal with. Upgrade time is also something I'll have to deal with. The fact is, I'm a 23 year old CFI flying piston aircraft. I have until age 60 to fly, why would I want to be impatient? I am extremely lucky to have this job offer. Why would I turn down an opportunity like this? Worst case scenario, I get furloughed and take my training and experience onto another regional airline. I hope that Comair survives and sees better days, because I was very impressed with them when I interviewed and I am prepared to spend many years with them.
 
Very true. And I'll bet any amount he's single, has no kids and no mortgage payment.
 
Skyslug,
Furlough could happen at any airline. Reserve is something new-hires need to deal with. Upgrade time is also something I'll have to deal with. The fact is, I'm a 23 year old CFI flying piston aircraft. I have until age 60 to fly, why would I want to be impatient? I am extremely lucky to have this job offer. Why would I turn down an opportunity like this? Worst case scenario, I get furloughed and take my training and experience onto another regional airline. I hope that Comair survives and sees better days, because I was very impressed with them when I interviewed and I am prepared to spend many years with them.

Garritto,

You have a classic case of SJS. Use a regional pilot management issued buttplug and call me in the morning...
 
I suppose I have a lot to learn about the industry, and of course a 23 year old CFI would have some SJS, but what do you guys recommend I do differently?
 
I suppose I have a lot to learn about the industry, and of course a 23 year old CFI would have some SJS, but what do you guys recommend I do differently?

Nothing, just have fun.
 
I am not a Chicken Little, but I am a realist. The only difference is that if the company can't pay a livable wage to its employees to be competitive than they SHOULD shut the doors. The rest of the world has to be competetive and it's management's job to increase productivity, invest in technologies, come up with creative solutions.... in the airline industry, they just reach into our pockets because it is the easiest way to become "competitive".

Agreed 100%.

Garritto, remember that attitude, print that message and put it in your hat. Then if a furlough looks imminent re-read that message. Again, when you are on reserve for several years working holidays and special occasions re-read that message. Again when it looks like it will be a good 5-8 years at least for upgrade re-read that message. :) Try your best to keep a good attitude and remember what got you into flying in the first place. Welcome!

You forgot to add:

Be sure to read it every time the company puts another letter in your v-file (mailbox for non-comair people) telling you you are no longer an asset, but instead a liability to the company, and the company cannot survive unless you agree to subsidize their business model again.
 
Just remember it can change at all airlines overnight. 4 years ago Comair was the place to go. Next month Skywest could be going through this stuff
 
Garritto, I think perhaps you misunderstood me. I was simply saying that you need to remember what got you into flying in the first place. Be realistic and have fun!!! Don't let the folks with the bad/nasty/pessimistic/the world is out to get me attitude get to you. We've got many like that here and they are REALLY vocal about it!

Welcome and have fun!!! Yes, you can have fun working here!! I"m sure I'll fly with you soon! :)

And who wouldn't have SJS if they were instructing in pistons. Although we all won't admit it we all had it when we were starting out.
 
SJS boy

you're screwed if you think working just anywhere will help and that age is your friend. This FO job will rule your life, you will make life decisions based on the harsh reality of selling your soul. You will delay getting married and having kids, when you do have kids you will not be able to provide for them any more than a walmart greeter. You will live in sheietholes and drive cars that should be in the landfill. Is it all worth it ? Working for peanuts so Delta management can add to their riches ? Sending their kids to Harvard on the backs of suckers like you.
My advice; get a plan B !!!
 
you're screwed if you think working just anywhere will help and that age is your friend. This FO job will rule your life, you will make life decisions based on the harsh reality of selling your soul. You will delay getting married and having kids, when you do have kids you will not be able to provide for them any more than a walmart greeter. You will live in sheietholes and drive cars that should be in the landfill. Is it all worth it ? Working for peanuts so Delta management can add to their riches ? Sending their kids to Harvard on the backs of suckers like you.
My advice; get a plan B !!!
Wow some people are bitter. Most of us know what we are getting into before we decide to do it. I guess a little research into the jobs that we are deciding on goes a long way. You should always have a plan B, but use it if something happens that prevents you from achieving plan A, and so far it seems like there is nothing stopping you. Have fun, enjoy Comair, and I hope everything works out for you.
P.S. there is nothing wrong with SJS, I had it, I got a good job flying a SJ(shiny jet, I live in base, met a woman who is a doctor she bought me a car paid off my loans and I love life and my job, and now I am engaged to her.
 
nice plan B

See this guy had a plan B, too bad he can't provide for himself. But if he can live with it I can.
 
Thanks for the advice everyone, but wow there is some real negativity out there. 9rj9 are you a Comair pilot? I understand that the regionals pay peanuts and can then kick you to the street but I also like to think on the bright side and see this as me putting in my time. I know that down the road I'll be able to get my dream job somewhere. I have a good friend that flies for Southwest and he told me they don't hire based on the hours you have, they hire based on your personality (yes, you still need their minimums). Based on that, I hope to keep my upbeat attitude even through all the crap at a regional. With 30% of airline pilots retiring in the next 5-8 years, things should get better everywhere. I'm sure I'll get yelled at for this post but bring it on haha! Anyway, I was just wondering from any Comair pilots what the reserve and upgrade time is in JFK if I was to be based there? Is it any better than Cinci?
 
you just don't get it

have you read anything about Comair, they just lost most of their 70 seat flying, the judge may throw the contract out monday, the reductions will continue, you could be furloughed within days. There will be few if any upgrades, so I'd say 15 years for an upgrade.
Thats putting in time ?
You won't be quailified for Southwest even with your outstanding personality for 20 years or more. 30% retiring? I've heard that for 20 years, so why does Cal, Jb and Southwest have 10,000 apps on file.

The carrot that you seek has already been eaten. Stick that in you hat and re-read it in 10 years when your stuck and have no options.
 
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Garritto-

Ya, actually you do get it!

First of all your avitar rocks!

Secondly, with your back ground and level of experience I think you are making a wise choice. It appears that you realize that Comair is on shaky ground and could go either way. Get some time under your belt and you can probably get on anywear, and with the uncertainty at Comair no one will fault you. I'm sure you could be at Comair for as little as 6 mos and walk on at any regional.

BTW I've been at SkyWest for almost 16 years and am very happy.
Good Luck!
 
get this

Comair jobs at risk

By Greg Paeth
Post staff reporter
Comair pilots had an informational picket line Tuesday at the Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport.
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As many as 240 Comair jobs could be at risk with Delta Air Lines' decision to award some of its flying business to another airline.
Delta officials have told Erlanger, Ky.-based Comair that it will lose a dozen of its 70-seat aircraft next year.
Delta, Comair's parent company, said that beginning in February the flying will be handled by SkyWest, which already provides service on more than half of the 2,500 regularly scheduled "Delta Connection" flights.
The announcement from Delta came Tuesday, the same day Comair pilots started informational picketing in front of the Delta hub at the Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport.
"We are disappointed in today's news and as long as we are unable to complete our restructuring (in bankruptcy court) we face real risks to the remainder of our fleet," said Comair spokeswoman Kate Marx.
She declined to provide any job loss estimate and said the company hopes that the workforce will shrink through attrition to avoid layoffs.
Paul Denke, a spokesman for the Comair chapter of the Air Line Pilots Association, said 70-seat aircraft typically are staffed by 20 people in five four-person crews: a captain, first officer and two flight attendants.
Comair had warned repeatedly that its fleet of regional aircraft could shrink unless pilots and other labor groups agreed to contract concessions that the company says it needs to complete a financial restructuring in bankruptcy court.
Comair is still in position to lose more of its aircraft and more of its employees based on decisions by Delta, which had sought bids from regional air carriers earlier this year to handle flights on 43 70-seat jets, as many as 50 50-seat jets and as many as 50 76-seat jets.
Because the Comair fleet does not include any 76-seat jets, the carrier is still in position to lose more of its 70-seat and 50-seat aircraft.
Since it entered bankruptcy last year along with Delta, Comair has trimmed about 800 jobs, including some 700 in Greater Cincinnati, where its 4,300 employees make it one of the biggest employers in the region.
Delta spokeswoman Gina Laughlin said the airline plans to announce its decisions on the additional flying by the end of the year.
The union's Denke was skeptical about whether the statement by Delta was an unequivocal pronouncement that Comair would lose the 12 planes. He said rather than a simple announcement that the planes are being withdrawn from Comair, the announcement was referred to "the flying that is equivalent to 12 planes."
Delta's Laughlin said she didn't think there was anything nebulous about Delta's statement. "I think it's pretty straight forward," she said.
SkyWest, which owns another regional carrier, Atlantic Southeast Airlines, is based in St. George, Utah. SkyWest pilots are not represented by ALPA although Atlantic Southeast pilots are members of the union. Delta sold Atlantic Southeast to SkyWest about 14 months ago as Delta prepared to restructure through a Chapter 11 bankruptcy.
Delta's announcement that it was trimming the size of its Comair fleet overshadowed the Comair pilots informational picketing at the airport.
Comair and its pilots are scheduled to square off Monday in U.S. Bankruptcy Court, where the company has asked the judge to allow the airline to impose contract terms on its approximately 1,500 pilots.
On Friday, Comair pilots will begin voting on whether to authorize a strike. The balloting will take 15 days.
As they walked the picket line Tuesday, pilots indicated that the Comair-ALPA skirmish in Cincinnati may be duplicated elsewhere in the country in what some described as an effort to "save the profession."
Some said they saw the Comair talks as part of a much a larger issue that focuses on contract concessions that pilots have been pressured to accept ever since the terrorist attacks of 2001 crippled the U.S. airline industry.
"This is a display of unity that says the pilots speak with one voice," said Capt. Bill Baker, executive administrator of the committee that is negotiating for the Comair chapter of the Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA).
"The pilots have taken a beating in this country over the past few years and it's only through dialogue across property lines (with several airlines) that we're going to be able to protect our profession," Denke said.
"I think the airlines have whipsawed regional carriers one against another," said John W. Perkinson Jr., a spokesman for ALPA, which represents some 61,000 pilots at 40 airlines in the U.S. and Canada.
"US Airways has 10 to 12 regional carriers," Perkinson said. "I can't see why they would do that other to drive down costs."
Policies and practices at US Airways are of more than passing interest to employees of Comair, the regional carrier that is owned by Delta. Last week US Airways made an unsolicited bid to acquire Delta for $8 billion.
 
I really don't get it....

Why would you go to work there ? I don't see anything but pain. Have you thought about living in NY on 1200 dollars a month ? Good luck, better ask the dude that married a doc if she/he has any friends.
 
Garritto,

Your reasoning is sound and it looks like you're going into this Comair deal with both eyes open. Take the job and get out of it whatever you can. It may last a few years it may last a few weeks but your flying resume will improve regardless.

If I had 1000TT and CMR (or CHQ, or SKW, or XJT, or Horizon, or damn near any other regional) offered me a job I'd be all over it. Sure, SKW is probably a better choice right now but SKW hasn't offered you a job, CMR did. Take the job and don't look back.

Don't be too hard on 9rj9. This is a tough business and very, very few of us escape without being battered about a bit by furloughs, downturns, crappy schedules, longer than expected reserve, abusive management, etc. When you're licking your wounds it's kinda hard to remember all the good parts of aviation.

23 and moving on to your first turbine job. Good for you! Keep us posted.
 
CFIT, Caveman,
It seems like you guys understand my reasoning for going to Comair. My resume was walked into Skywest and that was over a month ago. Well, in the meantime I was offered a class date in a CRJ. Hopefully I'll be able to stay at Comair for the long haul, but if not, I have one more section to add to my resume. Why drag on as a CFI making $15/hr with no health insurance in a single engine piston in the corn fields of West Michigan? Those are just my thoughts on the matter. And by the way, I appreciate all the information (good or bad) and encouragment from you guys.
 
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Garritto,

I don't think a CFI with 1,000 hours accepting a job offer at Comair is crazy. You will log around 800 hours a year of 121 jet time. I personally would probably have looked into going to one of these places with a big airplane order, but then again those orders may disappear. And as stated previously, Comair is the one that hired you so that is the job you take. You can keep looking too.

I think some pilots give you a hard time because they see your enthusiasm as weakness or naivety. If you say you "love to fly" and these types of things they are afraid you will vote for pay cuts anytime the company threatens you. You can't mention another airplane or they immediately say you have SJS. I love to say to miserable captains sitting next to me, "it is so nice today, I'd fly for free." You should see their fists clench and their head turns bright red and begins to shake and looks like it is going to explode! Then I tell them relax, I am just joking.

I don't think some people realize that you can fight for better pay and QOL with %100 resolve without being angry. I can vote no with a smile on my face.

(Garritto. Did I talk to you on the phone? Do you have a family member flying boxes?)
 
It's nice to see some people actually support us Comair new hires. I am sick of the people trying to discourage people from apply to any certain company. They all seem to have their negatives. You just need to choose which negatives you can put up with. Let me be the one to determine if it's a bad move or not. I earned the right to interview and get hired so let me earn the right to complain. Sorry to step anyone's toes, but the more I look at this forum the more I wonder why people choose to fly for a living. If you hate it get out. I just retired from flight instructing 5 days a week and working construction the other two days a week for the last year. This will seem like a vacation.

On a side note, looks like all us newhires are going to JFK. Just some more rumors for the rumor mill from some of my friends on the inside at Comair. They want to double the crew amounts at JFK. But it seems the only certain things in life are death and taxes, so who knows.

And I dont have SJS, just a bad case of IHFPS (I hate f***k**g private students)
 
It's nice to see some people actually support us Comair new hires. I am sick of the people trying to discourage people from apply to any certain company. They all seem to have their negatives. You just need to choose which negatives you can put up with. Let me be the one to determine if it's a bad move or not. I earned the right to interview and get hired so let me earn the right to complain. Sorry to step anyone's toes, but the more I look at this forum the more I wonder why people choose to fly for a living. If you hate it get out. I just retired from flight instructing 5 days a week and working construction the other two days a week for the last year. This will seem like a vacation.

On a side note, looks like all us newhires are going to JFK. Just some more rumors for the rumor mill from some of my friends on the inside at Comair. They want to double the crew amounts at JFK. But it seems the only certain things in life are death and taxes, so who knows.

And I dont have SJS, just a bad case of IHFPS (I hate f***k**g private students)

Get used to the negativity. Pilots can almost complain as well as soldiers. But most pilots have never slept in a hole in the ground, soaking wet with no sleep for three days, so they really don't have the experience to truly rival a soldier.

Pilots complain. It's like a career past time for these guys. Doesn't matter whether they are regional, corporate, mainline... They all complain. Just let it roll off you back and move foward. But don't let yourself be dragged into a Go Jet/ Freedom situation. Too small of an enviroment to make enemies. You'll come across many people you've known elsewhere.
 
oh, thought you were someone else. must have talked to some other guy with SJS...(joke)
good luck
I like shiny jets, I like dirty ones also. I had SJS, and I am glad that I did, it got me out of the 1900 and into something a lot better.
 
Nutn wrong with gett'n a sugar mommy!

Look at the bright side. These youngsters got SJS but at least they are not going to the Mesa sh!thole.

Good luck to all Comair brothers and sisters!!
 
Nobody has the right to be hard on these new guys coming in. Sure, they may be lower time than we have had in the past, but they for sure didn't cause any of this mess. Any one of us would have jumped at a 121 job with <1000 hours, except maybe Mesa.

Welcome, and good luck.
 

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