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Nov. 20, 2006, 11:12PM
Continental keeps wary eye on merger bids
US Airways' offer to take over Delta may ignite industry shake-up

By BILL HENSEL JR.
Copyright 2006 Houston Chronicle
The next few weeks could be critical ones for Continental Airlines and the U.S. airline industry.
Merger speculation is in the air in the wake of US Airways' hostile bid last week to take over bankrupt Delta Air Lines. Experts said that move could trigger more mergers.
Executives at Continental are watching intently to see how other carriers play their hands.
They are likely to keep their cards close to the vest until mid-December, when Delta said it will file its plan to emerge from bankruptcy.
Larry Kellner, chairman and chief executive of Continental, said over the weekend that Continental also wants to remain independent — but he left the door open to a deal with another carrier.
"If the landscape of the U.S. airline industry does indeed change, we will do what we need to do to act in the best interest of you, our customers, our shareholders and the communities we serve," Kellner said in a taped message to employees late Friday.
Executives of the carrier won't share specifics about what steps they may be taking to prepare if other carriers combine.
But Kellner said in his message that a US Airways-Delta matchup would create the world's biggest airline, which could be bad for Continental. It already is facing a competitor on that scale in Fort Worth-based American Airlines.
However, a union between United Airlines and Delta would be that much worse for the Houston airline because Continental would be facing an even larger competitor, making it tougher for Continental to win and keep corporate travel customers.
And this could leave Continental out in the cold. If United went after Delta, airline consultant Mike Boyd, of Boyd Group, said US Airways could turn to Northwest Airlines.
If that happened, Continental could be left as a stand-alone airline dwarfed by giants.
Former Continental Chief Gordon Bethune on Monday likened it to musical chairs.
"When the music stops, you need a place to sit," Bethune said. "Larry needs to think about watching the combinations because it's got to be something you can participate in."
Facing several huge carriers could be detrimental, he noted. Airlines make much of their money from business travelers, and corporate clients like airlines with the largest route systems.

Delta fighting takeover

Currently among U.S.-based airlines, American dominates market share when measured by the number of miles flown by passengers, with 17.4 percent market share. It is followed by United with 14.5 percent, and Delta with 12.2 percent. In comparison Continental has a 9.4 percent share.
Delta is fighting the bid by US Airways, which had pitched its plan directly to Delta's creditors. The Atlanta carrier is now working on putting together a better deal.
Delta said in an advertisement published Monday it is focused on emerging from bankruptcy next year as a stand-alone, independent company.
Merrill Lynch analyst Michael Linenberg gives the US Airways and Delta merger more than a 50 percent shot of happening.
Bethune said Monday he thinks that a merger between Continental and United could work.
"What needs to happen is Continental needs to acquire United in some fashion and run it out of Houston," Bethune said. "The last thing Continental needs is to become United and run it out of Chicago. Continental just has way too much on the ball to sit in the back seat."
Boyd said that while a Continental-United pairing could be a strong fit, he doesn't know if regulators would approve a deal because creating an airline that large could mean less competition, which could lead to objections under antitrust laws.
Boyd also thinks a merger between US Airways and Delta would be a mess. In addition, he questions the premise that mergers are needed because there are too many planes competing for travelers. He noted flights are flying more than 80 percent full and the airlines are returning to profitability.
Any takeover of Continental would be complicated by its relationship with Northwest Airlines, which has a so-called "golden share" of Continental. That essentially gives it power to nix potential deals to acquire the Houston-based carrier.

Feds may not approve

Bethune was leading Continental when the agreement with Northwest was reached.
"When our board agreed, it just says we can't be bought by another airline," said Bethune, who is now chairman of the board of Aloha Airlines. "But that didn't preclude Continental from buying someone else."
Bethune expects mergers to occur, however.
"This consolidation is going to happen by design or by default," the former chairman and chief executive said. "It is stupid to have this many air carriers. You don't have stability in employment, you don't have stability in pensions."
Calyon Securities analyst Ray Neidl said in a report that he believes the industry is fragmented and "primed for consolidation." But, he added, "we are not sure if the regulators and politicians are ready for major industry consolidation."
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Actually if mergers had to happen I would like to see one between CAL and DAL. We finally have some decent network/revenue guys at DAL...because we poached them from CAL! CAL seems to have a lot on the ball. A DAL/CAL merger would result in a very strong Latin American network out of IAH and ATL, a stranglehold on NYC with EWR, LGA, and JFK (though the feds would probably force a divestiture of some routes) and a strong CVG hub (assuming a dismantling of CLE).

But the bottom line is that the routes and fleets are pretty complimentary. A LCC/DAL merger WILL be a complete mess, and the competition is salivating that such an unwieldy transaction actually goes through, so that they can laugh all the way to the bank while a huge debt burden, completely incompatible fleets, and an epic (in a bad sense) labor group and culture integration screws things up...all in the interests of "synergy."
 
Actually if mergers had to happen I would like to see one between CAL and DAL. We finally have some decent network/revenue guys at DAL...because we poached them from CAL! CAL seems to have a lot on the ball. A DAL/CAL merger would result in a very strong Latin American network out of IAH and ATL, a stranglehold on NYC with EWR, LGA, and JFK (though the feds would probably force a divestiture of some routes) and a strong CVG hub (assuming a dismantling of CLE).

But the bottom line is that the routes and fleets are pretty complimentary. A LCC/DAL merger WILL be a complete mess, and the competition is salivating that such an unwieldy transaction actually goes through, so that they can laugh all the way to the bank while a huge debt burden, completely incompatible fleets, and an epic (in a bad sense) labor group and culture integration screws things up...all in the interests of "synergy."


I'd rather not see this. I'd rather see us merge with UAL than DAL. No offense.

IAHERJ
 
Anything, even NWA would be better than DAL. All DAL has done is started service to all international cities that CAL already goes too. Lots of overlap South and East, and DAL has a bunch of old junk planes. DAL brings nothing to the table for CAL. Please stay independant for our sake. I will tell Larry we are not interested, that should do it.
 
You do that s Hutch. You're down there in Bubbaville so you'll get the chance before me. We all know how much he takes our livelyhoods into account regarding big transactions involving money. Just look at your December PBS award.

IAHERJ
 
Anything, even NWA would be better than DAL. All DAL has done is started service to all international cities that CAL already goes too. Lots of overlap South and East, and DAL has a bunch of old junk planes. DAL brings nothing to the table for CAL. Please stay independant for our sake. I will tell Larry we are not interested, that should do it.

I think DAL/NWA and CAL/UA would be best. Too much overlap between CAL/DAL and little presence in Asia. Plus, CAL has about the worst domiciles in the business and too few heavy jets.
 
I'd rather not see this. I'd rather see us merge with UAL than DAL. No offense.

IAHERJ

No offense taken. I was just speculating...and in any case its not like the investment bankers are looking for anonymous opinions on web boards!
 
I think DAL/NWA and CAL/UA would be best. Too much overlap between CAL/DAL and little presence in Asia. Plus, CAL has about the worst domiciles in the business and too few heavy jets.


While I agree, you think NWA has better bases? You must live in one of them
 
I like MSP and SEA very much so, yes.

I think SEA is not a base for them anymore. ANC has a 747-200 Cargo base, though.

Bye Bye--General Lee
 
General,

Sea is 330 base now. Who nobody is talking about is Gary Wilson. The man knows how to get money and make bunches for his buddies and is a control freak and extremely arrogant. If he decides/decided he wants a deal he will have the money and nwa will be a player/pursuer in consolidation. If he has decided to slow down and divest himself I feel we will be broken up, cargo,pacific and domestic going seperate ways. I think a delta/nwa keeping your name with a doh/relative posistion would in the long run be the best for all of us. The fleet issue won't be as bad as most think. With 68 787s including firm/options that would about cover replacing your small 777 and your ageing 767 fleet, the 400s could be converted to freighters, the 10's are gone in jan, 757s both pratt, don't know how many 737ngs you have but I bet airbus would give a great discount to keep the 320/319s vs the 737s. Dc9s/80s phased out for emb195 and smaller embs anc crjs at compass and other feeders. With dtw & msp in the midwest, atl, slc and either beefing up lax or sea plus our pacific ops it could be a very strong airline with the right leadership. Anyway wtf do we know, we are just along for the ride. Good luck to us all.
 
General,

Sea is 330 base now. Who nobody is talking about is Gary Wilson. The man knows how to get money and make bunches for his buddies and is a control freak and extremely arrogant. If he decides/decided he wants a deal he will have the money and nwa will be a player/pursuer in consolidation. If he has decided to slow down and divest himself I feel we will be broken up, cargo,pacific and domestic going seperate ways. I think a delta/nwa keeping your name with a doh/relative posistion would in the long run be the best for all of us. The fleet issue won't be as bad as most think. With 68 787s including firm/options that would about cover replacing your small 777 and your ageing 767 fleet, the 400s could be converted to freighters, the 10's are gone in jan, 757s both pratt, don't know how many 737ngs you have but I bet airbus would give a great discount to keep the 320/319s vs the 737s. Dc9s/80s phased out for emb195 and smaller embs anc crjs at compass and other feeders. With dtw & msp in the midwest, atl, slc and either beefing up lax or sea plus our pacific ops it could be a very strong airline with the right leadership. Anyway wtf do we know, we are just along for the ride. Good luck to us all.

I still think DL/NW would be the best for us, since there is very little overlap. We pilots understand your strife over there with your management, but most of our employees are tree huggers that are non union, and they fear you. I don't, but they do. You can understand that I am sure.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
All I can say is that it will be an interesting New Year with bidding war over DAL and everybody trying not to be left without a partner.....

Good luck to us all, I am already starting to hear some UAL guys saying that CAL guys should be stapled because of our lack of wide bodies, the venom has started to flow with nothing official being announced. I can't wait.
 
All I can say is that it will be an interesting New Year with bidding war over DAL and everybody trying not to be left without a partner.....

Good luck to us all, I am already starting to hear some UAL guys saying that CAL guys should be stapled because of our lack of wide bodies, the venom has started to flow with nothing official being announced. I can't wait.


Staple seems unfair. Relative position would be more likely. CAL pilots stay on their narrowbodies and UAL pilots stay on their widebodies. Easy enough.
 
All I can say is that it will be an interesting New Year with bidding war over DAL and everybody trying not to be left without a partner.....

Good luck to us all, I am already starting to hear some UAL guys saying that CAL guys should be stapled because of our lack of wide bodies, the venom has started to flow with nothing official being announced. I can't wait.


That is B.S. and you know it!
 
That is B.S. and you know it!

I didn't mean to offend you but this was told to me by a good friend of mine over there as he was explaining what he has heard by many guys on how they would end up pretty good in a merger because of our lack of widebodies.

I have been called a Kmart pilot and a Hot Dog vendor during my last merger so I don't want to get into name calling I was just stating a fact that mergers are ugly and it is starting get ugly before anything is announced.

Some of my best friends are at UAL and I had the priviledge of flying with alot of furloughees at my last company so I know that it is only a few pilots saying this garbage but it is out there. Its on the CAL side also.
 
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Staple seems unfair. Relative position would be more likely. CAL pilots stay on their narrowbodies and UAL pilots stay on their widebodies. Easy enough.

Relative position would mean one year guys at CAL are about 85% and moving rapidly. I would assume 85% at UAL is much much longer.

Or maybe you mean relative in pay.

Way to cause trouble 800doggie
 

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