XJ TA may be voted down

[xjgearbtch]

There is a ton of grumbling on the line. Talk of taking the hard road. When the TA first came out it could of passed, now with time it looks like many are changing their minds.

Anyone else catching this vibe in MSP and MEM?

 

[flyf15]

Lots of Pinnacle guys walked with you guys to support you, to support each other, to support pilots everywhere, and to try to stop the whipsaw between Pinnacle and Mesaba. They walked to show their support.... show support to those who supported you by not voting for a concessonary contract. It will only hurt both airlines in the long run.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

Every pilot at NWA mainline says they voted no on the contract.

 

[fiel12]

Every pilot at NWA mainline says they voted no on the contract.

Sounds familiar. Just like the 2004 contract at XJ.

 

[SEVEN]

It will pass by a margin over 65%.

 

[CaptainChris77]

TALK about voting it down as much as you want.... it is a lot different when it comes time to check the box... yes or no. Yes--you have a job and can continue to complain about how much life sucks and how you definately voted against the TA... NO---you risk not having a job, and being out on the street. Voting no for most people is difficult/impossible even though on paper it seems like the right thing to do.

Who cares what anyone "hears might be going on with the TA at XJ" the bottom line is that nobody knows until the votes are in, counted, recounted, and then a decision is made.

That is like saying, "hey I heard that Hillary Clinton is going to win the election in 2008" (If this happens hell will freeze over and the world will end.... but its just an example.) Good luck to all the guys at XJ!!

 

[BOHICAgain]

When do the polls open??

 

[AvroJockey]

Already open...placed my NO vote about 30 min ago!

 

[BOHICAgain]

Already open...placed my NO vote about 30 min ago!

Thanks a 9E guy..... When do they close

 

[othello]

I say it'll pass by 75-85%.

There is a vocal minority, but it the same 10-12 pissed off union haters that are making all the noise.
I flew with a guy last week that was voting NO. (Tom W recomended it so Iam voting No.) end of conversation not willing to vote for anything Tom recomends.
It is the 500 guys that have made no noise that will vote Yes.

FYI there is only about 580 pilots not furloughed that will be voting.

 

[blackbox]

What was the MEC's recommendation?

 

[AvroJockey]

Thanks a 9E guy..... When do they close

27Nov...not sure of the time.

 

[AvroJockey]

What was the MEC's recommendation?

They endorsed it, though they're recommending to vote they way YOU feel.

 

[Crizz]

What ever happened to "not one cent" mr ALPO? Glad I'm not giving you my 2% anymore...

 

[XJ-spartacus]

Same here. ALPA always talks big about holding the line, but when the metal hits the bone they cave. Worst part about it is after they cave, they sell it. Holding the line means you don't budge no matter what the threat. Steel is tempered with fire. If your strong you will stand firm in your convictions. If your weak, you will buckle under the stress. Rationalizing a bad decision doesn't change the fact that you made it.

-Spartacus

 

[CoATP]

Somehow I think the "live to fight another day", "it does have a snap back", "we'll get those bigger jets","don't want to be unemployed at Xmas" will carry the day. It'll be 68.2% yes,31.2% no

 

[Dodge]

"we'll get those bigger jets"

Wasn't that supposed to happen after ratification of the 2004 TA?

 

[PCL_128]

What ever happened to "not one cent" mr ALPO? Glad I'm not giving you my 2% anymore...

The MSA MEC never said anything resembling "not one cent." I don't know where you guys come up with this stuff.

 

[HelloNewman]

The MSA MEC never said anything resembling "not one cent." I don't know where you guys come up with this stuff.

I believe those were the sentiments stated on this website only. The TA hasn't even been voted on yet so the not one cent may still hold up. I personally think it will pass but ya never know until the last vote is counted.

 

[Dirty Sanchez]

The MSA MEC never said anything resembling "not one cent." I don't know where you guys come up with this stuff.

I think the statement being referred to came from Woerth. "We will not accept any concessions..blah.blah.blah."

I guess it doesn't matter anymore when you fail to get reelected.

 

[saabservant]

Say what?

Duane Woerth was very careful in saying that he would not sign anything that resembled the company term sheet. In other words, anything that would put us 10% below Mesa.
He did not say he would not sign a concessionary(or extortionary) deal.

The negotiators and MEC did an exceptional job, considering the environment and the improvements they achieved-raises past amendable date, recapture, and claims upon reorganization. Also, PBS with our rules, and health care policy in the contract.

This will probably pass, in spite of my no vote....
They have nwa breathing down their necks, do not have the stomach to deal with chaos under imposition, and there are two appeals out there ( for the 1113c decision, and the strike injunction). I can live with the possible consequences, these mgmt. crooks are that comtemptable. Flush them and work on your applications!

 

[XJXJXJ]

I say it'll pass by 75-85%.

There is a vocal minority, but it the same 10-12 pissed off union haters that are making all the noise.
I flew with a guy last week that was voting NO. (Tom W recomended it so Iam voting No.) end of conversation not willing to vote for anything Tom recomends.
It is the 500 guys that have made no noise that will vote Yes.

FYI there is only about 580 pilots not furloughed that will be voting.

Same vocal minority & same fools talking crap on the ALPA boards. Same guys who talked s*&t during 2004 and didn't have the ball$ to back up their talk. They are all still here talking the same crap 3 years later.

 

[TAWS]

One year ago, it was "hold the line", and a bunch of us got furloughed! Now, it's basically what mngt was proposing - sugar coated of course, to make it more palatable! You guys are going to vote it in, giving the green light to mngt EVERYWHERE to screw with Pilot groups, because we're weak! - mngt knows it!
It would be a bit less of a bitter pill to swallow, if you guys practiced what you were preaching 1 year ago! But no, you're going to vote it in and you know it already!

Thanks for being a bunch of stand-up guys! Now you're going to put all those 9E guys that walked the line with you in a nice position, good job guys!

I wonder how many of you you will be looking down at 9E guys when they vote in a crappy contract, all because you pulled the rug out from under them!

 

[XJPilot547]

It's the same ole "what came first, the chicken or the egg? Sorry to the 9E guys but not really. Pinnacle never had one thing in any of their contracts that we could look up to. Enough of this holding the line crap. Everyone must do whats best for themselves and their family. Nothing more. Seems you had no problem going to Shaniqua with their industry leading contract, nor did most of the 9E guys complain when they got CRJs while we furloughed. BTW, I have my own side business so I am a NO voter to anything concessionary. Hell, I thought contract 04 was concessionary.

 

[HelloNewman]

It's the same ole "what came first, the chicken or the egg? Sorry to the 9E guys but not really. Pinnacle never had one thing in any of their contracts that we could look up to. Enough of this holding the line crap. Everyone must do whats best for themselves and their family. Nothing more. Seems you had no problem going to Shaniqua with their industry leading contract, nor did most of the 9E guys complain when they got CRJs while we furloughed. BTW, I have my own side business so I am a NO voter to anything concessionary. Hell, I thought contract 04 was concessionary.

Well said sir well said. The term holding the line is a pipe dream. Everyone talks it but lets face it family comes first.

 

[eaglefly]

The Mesaba pilots will get what they deserve.

If they vote it in, then they freely asked for and accepted it and thus deserve it.

Do not shed a tear.

In this world, you only will get what you accept as worthy of you.

If this is voted in, it is because the pilot group in only worthy of whatever merit it has....................it is because they saw the details and said, "I can live with this".

If it wasn't something they could live with, then they'd turn it down.

So again, if it passes, do not shed a tear my friends.

Be happy for the Mesaba pilots, because they recieved the gift they asked for.

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

The Mesaba pilots will get what they deserve.

If they vote it in, then they freely asked for and accepted it and thus deserve it.
Be happy for the Mesaba pilots, because they recieved the gift they asked for.

And that, my friends, would be what we call bull$hit.

Do we deserve to be the victims of a slanted legal system? No.
Did we ask for a concessionary contract when the last one was a "growth" contract? No.
Did I vote yes? No.

Thanks for your support, eaglefly.

 

[XJ-spartacus]

I think what eaglefly is trying to get at is your judged by your integrity, not the circumstances that surround you. Integrity is doing what is right, even when it would benefit you to do otherwise. It's not the tragedy that defines the man, but how he deals with it. Rationalization is just that, making an excuse for a bad decision. I truly hope you guys show the industry what Mesaba pilots are made of. If not, I quess we'll know by default.

-Spartacus

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

Now that was well said, Spartacus. If eaglefly wished to say something along those lines, then maybe he should PM you first for some editing.

Phrases like "freely asked for" and "gift they asked for" are tainted, and make it sound like the pilot group came to the company asking to give concessions, rather than battling through courts and hearings and injunctions.

Not one pilot would give these concessions if it were a "free" decision.

 

[XJPilot547]

Once again throwing stone Eaglefly. Remind me again how you have held the line at Eagle. It's so easy to sit on the sideline and tell someone else what they should do. It's something else when your group is the one doing the fighting. Just like when you guys approved a 12 year contract. Nice Job. Really.