Robots Flying Cargo Aircraft?

[Hawkster54]

Any guesses as to how long it will take before unmanned aircraft are tested in the cargo market? I personnally do not want this to happen, but the pessimistic side of me can see myself landing my dream job with FedEx or UPS only to be replaced by a computer geek on the ground flying transcontinental routes from a simbox.

I figure if the millitary can drop bombs on the other side of the world this way, then companies can fly cargo this way too. I would imagine this technology will be tested on aircraft with cargo in the back rather than with Passengers. It's hard to imagine the industry 30 years from now.

Maybe I'm just paranoid.

 

[glasspilot]

You're absolutely right. This is a major concern. That's why I wrap tinfoil around my head and stay out of the path of MindWaveReadingSatalites or MWRS. I'd say more but I feel like they're too close to me right now.

Fight the fight and don't let them turn you into borg. Live long and prosper.

 

[Bluto]

Resistance is futile.

 

[Donsa320]

UAV Freight

20 years, I've heard, is the Boeing estimate.

DC

 

[mannyaplus11]

Only AFTER the FAA approves them in the National Air Space. I worked with Predator in the Air Force Reserves until I retired last year and now I work with them at NASA... we can't even get approval to leave Edwards Air Force Base airspace. The FAA is totally afraid of UAV's. You don't have anything to worry about during this lifetime.

 

[Kruger Stellman]

In 20 years Scotty will be beaming frieght right from the Memphis transporter pad. They won't need aircraft at all.

 

[Buckeye]

But who in freight industry is going to buy NEW stuff?, maybe in 60 years when it is USED.

 

[Traderd]

Only AFTER the FAA approves them in the National Air Space. I worked with Predator in the Air Force Reserves until I retired last year and now I work with them at NASA... we can't even get approval to leave Edwards Air Force Base airspace. The FAA is totally afraid of UAV's. You don't have anything to worry about during this lifetime.

Your experience with the Predator does not seem to align with current operations for the Global Hawk. The article discusses a transfer of some operational testing from Edwards to PAX (complete with a flight to transfer the airframe) and also notes a trans-oceanic flight to Australia in 2001. Maybe the Predator cannot get out of Edwards but it appears the bigger fish are swimmng a bit further away from the pond. Perhaps the Predator is lacking in some of the GH's capabilities.

This article is dated March of this year. http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?storyID=123018197

Now, this is a far cry from daily (nightly?) cargo ops in and out of let's say, MEM, and the mission has been and continues to be intelligence but every journey begins with a single step as they say.

I haven't seen any information published by DOD testing or utilizing UAVs for any other mission types outside of air combat and MI.

 

[aussiefly]

All your bases are belong to us.

 

[ksu_aviator]

I'm ready for it. After this job, I think I'm just going to open up a bar and get drunk every night!

 

[CrimsonEclipse]

But who in freight industry is going to buy NEW stuff?, maybe in 60 years when it is USED.

Swapable avionics. They'll buy it new.

5-10 years for the first tests.

CE

(it's not like airplanes can fly and land themselves)

 

[FearlessFreep]

It will only be concern at the larger cargo carriers that purchase brand new equipment. When acquistion costs for the pilot automation is less than the cost for keeping crews on the property then we will have crew obsolesence. I guess the new machines would be considered scabs and could be kept from the jumpseat lists and be in other ways harrassed. It might hurt their feelings and they will break down.

No way would it effect the bottom feeders -their just too cheap, and the cost for crews is far less than the automation would ever cost.

But be careful, with GW's intolerance of unions he might make it a regulatory requirement that all aircraft be flown totally by automation with operators located in India with a dial up connection.

 

[belchfire]

It will only be concern at the larger cargo carriers that purchase brand new equipment. When acquistion costs for the pilot automation is less than the cost for keeping crews on the property then we will have crew obsolesence. I guess the new machines would be considered scabs and could be kept from the jumpseat lists and be in other ways harrassed. It might hurt their feelings and they will break down.

No way would it effect the bottom feeders -their just too cheap, and the cost for crews is far less than the automation would ever cost.

But be careful, with GW's intolerance of unions he might make it a regulatory requirement that all aircraft be flown totally by automation with operators located in India with a dial up connection.

"Hello Fedex 69 heavy, this is Floyd. It is a pleasure to be your technical rep for today. You are off course. How may I be of service to you? Please download for me your last diagnostic check and continue to remain on the line for more excellent service!"

Boohahahahaha!

 

[Scube3]

Bottom feeders won't be affected?

Where do you think or this "obsolete" pilots are going to go after they loose their job??

Scube.

 

[AC560]

Within 20yrs of this happening there will be robots who will fly these jobs for less electricty then others.

 

[Oh-ryan]

Can you get furloughed as a UAV driver? What will be the madatory retirement age for UAV drivers? I think we need to start another "informal poll" right here on flightinfo.com and get everyone's opinion on the matter.

 

[VSI9k+]

All your bases are belong to us.

LOL!!!

 

[Scube3]

Let me see....

No hotel expense....
No per diem...
No complaining....
No retirement plan....
No duty time restrictions...

mmmnn.... this is not lucking good.


Scube.

 

[Espalda Mojado]

FedEx has already tested this concept.

 

[Freight Dawg]

Which one of their many crashes was this one?

 

[bocefus]

Only AFTER the FAA approves them in the National Air Space. I worked with Predator in the Air Force Reserves until I retired last year and now I work with them at NASA... we can't even get approval to leave Edwards Air Force Base airspace. The FAA is totally afraid of UAV's. You don't have anything to worry about during this lifetime.

Predator is the bottom feeder UAV program. As noted in a previous post, Globalhawk has been routinely conducting trans Pacific and trans Atlantic flights. Just a little bit outside EAF airspace.

 

[Hawkster54]

FedEx has already tested this concept.

What are the details?

 

[fr8doggie]

Bite My Shiny Metal...

Sometimes @0430 I feel like a robot. Kill all humans...Kill all humans...

 

[tomgoodman]

Low-cost carrier

Predator is the bottom feeder UAV program.

The worst job in the program is on-board relief pilot. They recruited dwarves furloughed by Walt Disney.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Will the Cargo UAV's dip below the GS?

 

[AerroMatt]

The Neverending fear of Robots

This kind of thread just doesn't seem to end, so here's my 2 cents worth that I posted several months ago...

Automated Freighters = Lawyers Wet Dream!
Just wait til one of these (unmanned cargo) birds goes down in a residential neighborhood due to mechanical failure that the computers weren't programmed to handle (or any other unforseen complication!) and kill a few hundred to a few thousand people in their sleep. The trial lawyers will be on the freight company and the military like flies on $hit. Then you will see the newspapers gang up and say "Why was anyone stupid enough to think we could do without pilots?"

I for one would much rather place my trust in some hung-over (add your favorite airline name here) flight crew that snuck past the TSA breath sniffers to a computer program written by a long-haired, wet behind the ears kid fresh out of some tech school who's knowledge of aviation in all its intricacy came out of a few courses taught in his sophmore year. uke:

 

[Hawkster54]

AerroMatt vbmenu_register("postmenu_1156790", true);

You make me feel all warm and fuzzy on the inside....God Bless!

 

[armyjets]

The same reply as I posted in the UAV thread:

I guess if we were to go to "pilotless" airlines the terrorist's won't have to physically get into the cockpit to take over a flight. They'll just figure a way to hack into the system to fly more airplanes into buildings.

JMHO

 

[AerroMatt]

AerroMatt vbmenu_register("postmenu_1156790", true);

You make me feel all warm and fuzzy on the inside....God Bless!

Hey Junior,

What is your point of posting this on only your third post on this site? Everyone can already see my bio. Maybe just a newbie gets carried away by it to think that I am merely a stupid truck driver.

'Nuff said.

 

[lowtimedriver]

Only AFTER the FAA approves them in the National Air Space. I worked with Predator in the Air Force Reserves until I retired last year and now I work with them at NASA... we can't even get approval to leave Edwards Air Force Base airspace. The FAA is totally afraid of UAV's. You don't have anything to worry about during this lifetime.

They are also crashing a boatload of UAV's in the middle east.