ASA picket in SGU

[ASADriver]

ASA MEC officer admits only about 20 of the picketers in SGU were actually ASA pilots. The rest were ALPA people from the meeting in LAS. Here is his post from the ALPA board.

Subject: rumor
Author: WILL FARUZZI
Date: 20 Oct 2006 11:20 AM >I heard a rumor that Duane
>Woerth met with JA. Can anyone
>confirm or kill this? And if
>so, any clues as to the
>substance of the meeting?
>John Lowery

I was there.
While we were picketing in St George, Jerry came out, in my opinion, attempting to show he wasn't intimidated.

He asked the spotters a few questions like "how many are actually ASA pilots" (response: "doesn't matter", but we had about 20 out of the 80). Then he walked along the line telling everyone "Welcome to St George, I hope you enjoy your stay". Then he confronted Duane and tried to show Duane why ALPA was being unreasonable in our requested compensation in regards to "industry average" pay and what Skywest bid to Delta. Duane's response was along the lines of you're making record profits, and we'll see you at the negotiating table. All the while, the SkyWest GO rats were outside cheering.

While he probably got a lot of mileage locally, I think Jerry really made himself look like an amateur. There were several news crews there, including a local TV station, with national feed. It was picked up in SLC. If Jerry really wanted to send a message, he'd have ignored us and pretended it didn't bother him. The fact that he took time out of his busy day proves we got his attention, which was the point. And his confrontation with Duane was totally asinine. I mean, what did he think Duane would say? "Yeah, you're right Jerry, we give up. C'mon everyone, back on the bus!". Not likely to happen!!!

W. Faruzzi
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[ASARJMan]

ASA MEC officer admits only about 20 of the picketers in SGU were actually ASA pilots. The rest were ALPA people from the meeting in LAS. Here is his post from the ALPA board.

Yawn. You're so boring drivel. Same old sheet from you. Crybaby!

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[ASADriver]

Yawn. You're so boring drivel. Same old sheet from you. Crybaby!

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Your posts are so original. You just keep repeating the same old line.

YAWN..Crybaby...yawn...Crybaby... drivel...drivel...crybaby......YAWN

 

[goodto50meters]

ASA MEC officer admits only about 20 of the picketers in SGU were actually ASA pilots. The rest were ALPA people from the meeting in LAS. Here is his post from the ALPA board.

Subject: rumor
Author: WILL FARUZZI
Date: 20 Oct 2006 11:20 AM >I heard a rumor that Duane
>Woerth met with JA. Can anyone
>confirm or kill this? And if
>so, any clues as to the
>substance of the meeting?
>John Lowery

I was there.
While we were picketing in St George, Jerry came out, in my opinion, attempting to show he wasn't intimidated.

He asked the spotters a few questions like "how many are actually ASA pilots" (response: "doesn't matter", but we had about 20 out of the 80). Then he walked along the line telling everyone "Welcome to St George, I hope you enjoy your stay". Then he confronted Duane and tried to show Duane why ALPA was being unreasonable in our requested compensation in regards to "industry average" pay and what Skywest bid to Delta. Duane's response was along the lines of you're making record profits, and we'll see you at the negotiating table. All the while, the SkyWest GO rats were outside cheering.

While he probably got a lot of mileage locally, I think Jerry really made himself look like an amateur. There were several news crews there, including a local TV station, with national feed. It was picked up in SLC. If Jerry really wanted to send a message, he'd have ignored us and pretended it didn't bother him. The fact that he took time out of his busy day proves we got his attention, which was the point. And his confrontation with Duane was totally asinine. I mean, what did he think Duane would say? "Yeah, you're right Jerry, we give up. C'mon everyone, back on the bus!". Not likely to happen!!!

W. Faruzzi
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The whole point you jackass is that ALPA is comming together to the shock and horror of management. Guys comming in from other airlnes is a bigger statement than your own carriers pilots alone. The point was not how many ASA guys came in from ATL. Where were you? Oh I forgot, you were sitting in the GO or your chair in the Chief Pilots Office.

 

[ASADriver]

The whole point you jackass is that ALPA is comming together to the shock and horror of management. Guys comming in from other airlnes is a bigger statement than your own carriers pilots alone. The point was not how many ASA guys came in from ATL. Where were you? Oh I forgot, you were sitting in the GO or your chair in the Chief Pilots Office.

Oh yeah, I can just see the "shock and horror" in Jerry's eyes. I think he is just rolling his eyes and transferring airplanes while you roll out your "shock and horror".

 

[pookie]

I dont know if this is true but one of my company guys were there and he said that one of the skywest chief pilots walked across the street and confronted an ASA guy. Has any of you heard this?

 

[crjskipper]

ok - my asa/alpa news update said over 100 pilots were there, now it was really 80, of which 20 were asa pilots. how many asa pilots are on full time alpa leave - a little over 20. where's the truth boys? my dues deserve better!

they say the devil you know is better than the devil you dont right - i think i know pretty clearly where the company stands, I can say pretty clearly that I have no trust for our current alpa leadership

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[SSDD]

ALPA national? No, no, national has nothing to do with it. Your union is only as strong as the local membership. Where have I heard that before?

Well if that's the case, where were the other 1700 ASA pilots?

 

[John Pennekamp]

ASA Driver, you are a tool. You completely miss the point every time. You're so blinded by your hatred of ALPA that you have tunnel vision.

I'll repeat what I wrote to your duplicate post on the other thread:

"Wasn't this picketing launched from the ALPA board of directors meeting in LAS? You know the UNION REP CONVENTION? How many union reps do we have? 4? 6? Seems to me like a bunch of ASA pilots flew all the way to Vegas, then rode a long bus trip to just picket. 20 'aint too bad considering. And explain why pilots from every other pilot group in ALPA came out to support us if ALPA is going to "throw us under the bus"? I say it was a strong message of ASA support. I agree with Farruzi, who cares how many ASA pilots made the trip, even if it was just 20, the point was made. We have the support of the entire union."

 

[John Pennekamp]

And another thought for your credibility ASADrivel, since you've demonstrated you have access to our ALPA Web Board, why not grow a set of balls and sign your name to your posts over there where we can all see who you are and debate you?

Your insurgent terrorist attacks against our hard working volunteers and the line pilots who support them are extremely old. You have no credibility if you're afraid to sign your name to them. It's time for you to "come out of the closet" (sorry Chuck) and take ownership for your union attacks!!!!

 

[ASADriver]

And another thought for your credibility ASADrivel, since you've demonstrated you have access to our ALPA Web Board, why not grow a set of balls and sign your name to your posts over there where we can all see who you are and debate you?

Your insurgent terrorist attacks against our hard working volunteers and the line pilots who support them are extremely old. You have no credibility if you're afraid to sign your name to them. It's time for you to "come out of the closet" (sorry Chuck) and take ownership for your union attacks!!!!

What about the hard working line pilots who are sick of watching Skywest transfer airplanes while ALPA continues with the same old song and dance. Remember it is us line pilots who are paying 2% of our pay to this union that isn't doing squat in terms of results. The ALPA volunteers are working hard, but there aren't any results and we are losing jobs to Skywest.

 

[John Pennekamp]

What about the hard working line pilots who are sick of watching Skywest transfer airplanes while ALPA continues with the same old song and dance. Remember it is us line pilots who are paying 2% of our pay to this union that isn't doing squat in terms of results. The ALPA volunteers are working hard, but there aren't any results and we are losing jobs to Skywest.

Don't dodge. You are nothing but a terrorist. Take ownership for your attacks or be gone. If you can't come out and take ownership, than you have no credibility. Most of us have an idea who you are anyhow.

We'll see you over there.

 

[ASADriver]

Don't dodge. You are nothing but a terrorist. Take ownership for your attacks or be gone. If you can't come out and take ownership, than you have no credibility. Most of us have an idea who you are anyhow.

We'll see you over there.

I don't see you posting your name either - I guess that means you don't have any credibility either. You can't even take your own advice.

 

[John Pennekamp]

I don't see you posting your name either - I guess that means you don't have any credibility either. You can't even take your own advice.

More dodging the question. Spineless wonder.

Oh, I'm over there, and I say the same things I do here. You figure it out.

 

[ASARJMan]

ok - my asa/alpa news update said over 100 pilots were there, now it was really 80, of which 20 were asa pilots. how many asa pilots are on full time alpa leave - a little over 20. where's the truth boys? my dues deserve better!

There are under ten on fulltime ALPA leave, maybe 6 or 7 total. You should know that from the management position you're in. You don't pay dues because you're not a member of ALPA. But you are a management weenie.

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[ASARJMan]

I don't see you posting your name either - I guess that means you don't have any credibility either. You can't even take your own advice.

OMG, sniff sniff, you crying again whiny boy?

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[SKYWRJGUY]

Actually, that memo sort of displays ALPAs smugness. It didn't matter what JA would have done, it would have been spun anti-labor: "JA simply walked away without the mere hint of wanted to talk, further confirming our stance that SKYW sucks", or "The fact that he took time out of his busy day proves we got his attention, which was the point. And his confrontation with Duane was totally asinine". From a leadership perspective, at least one from grounded theory not hip-shooting, showing a willingness to talk is a much stronger leadership tactic than walking away as it shows committment, concern and consideration, and while you got his attention (which is really just a means of advertising) his tactic did the same. So, who came off worse? The confrontational folks or the diplomatic ones? If you don't think impressions are important, than the whole reason for picketing seems lost.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Actually, that memo sort of displays ALPAs smugness. It didn't matter what JA would have done, it would have been spun anti-labor: "JA simply walked away without the mere hint of wanted to talk, further confirming our stance that SKYW sucks", or "The fact that he took time out of his busy day proves we got his attention, which was the point. And his confrontation with Duane was totally asinine". From a leadership perspective, at least one from grounded theory not hip-shooting, showing a willingness to talk is a much stronger leadership tactic than walking away as it shows committment, concern and consideration, and while you got his attention (which is really just a means of advertising) his tactic did the same. So, who came off worse? The confrontational folks or the diplomatic ones? If you don't think impressions are important, than the whole reason for picketing seems lost.

The point is that if Jerry wants to talk he should do it at the negotiating table. His display at the picketing was just more rhetoric on top of rhetoric.

According to the rep who was so unceremoniously quoted above, Jerry confronted them to the delight of ten or so secretaries screaming "Go Jerry!". His display was only to earn points with his own people in the GO, not to "confront ALPA". In doing so, I would say he made a mistake.

 

[ASADriver]

The point is that if Jerry wants to talk he should do it at the negotiating table. His display at the picketing was just more rhetoric on top of rhetoric.

According to the rep who was so unceremoniously quoted above, Jerry confronted them to the delight of ten or so secretaries screaming "Go Jerry!". His display was only to earn points with his own people in the GO, not to "confront ALPA". In doing so, I would say he made a mistake.

Jerry didn't get to this point by making mistakes. It is ALPA that is making a mistake. Jerry will continue to make money with or with ALPA and with or without ASA.

 

[ASARJMan]

Jerry didn't get to this point by making mistakes. It is ALPA that is making a mistake. Jerry will continue to make money with or with ALPA and with or without ASA.

And without your sorry ass too drivel! Don't forget that. If ASA goes TU, you'll be outa your management job too.

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[crjskipper]

asarjman - lets see moron - there are 4 on the negotiating team, plus at least 3 mec, 4 lec plus a few others I know have not seen an airplane in months, if not years. the number is close to 20 - i was told that by a member of our lec.

and trust me little man - i pay my alpa dues just like you, i just expect something for it

just because someone doesnt agree with the lemming alpa line hook, line and sinker like yourself doesnt mean they are management

 

[Speedtape]

asarjman - lets see moron - there are 4 on the negotiating team, plus at least 3 mec, 4 lec plus a few others I know have not seen an airplane in months, if not years. the number is close to 20 - i was told that by a member of our lec.

and trust me little man - i pay my alpa dues just like you, i just expect something for it

just because someone doesnt agree with the lemming alpa line hook, line and sinker like yourself doesnt mean they are management

Let's see, the only line L.J. believes in, is the one that supports her self-serving agenda--which by the way is not always in the pilot group's best interest! She migrates to whatever side of the fence that best supports her agenda and at anyone's expense but her own!

Her ALPA experience that she claims, is both self-indicting and self-incriminating. Drew, Scott, and Charlie have ALPA experience also!

 

[Speedtape]

ok - my asa/alpa news update said over 100 pilots were there, now it was really 80, of which 20 were asa pilots. how many asa pilots are on full time alpa leave - a little over 20. where's the truth boys? my dues deserve better!

they say the devil you know is better than the devil you dont right - i think i know pretty clearly where the company stands, I can say pretty clearly that I have no trust for our current alpa leadership

VOTED NO FOR FERUZZI!

Of course you don't, Chuck! Your job is on the line according to some of the other C/P's, so you are expected to make such statements and stir the pot! You need to get back to work and keep an eye on those occurences!

 

[John Pennekamp]

asarjman - lets see moron - there are 4 on the negotiating team, plus at least 3 mec, 4 lec plus a few others I know have not seen an airplane in months, if not years. the number is close to 20 - i was told that by a member of our lec.

and trust me little man - i pay my alpa dues just like you, i just expect something for it

just because someone doesnt agree with the lemming alpa line hook, line and sinker like yourself doesnt mean they are management

Ha Ha, which LEC member? Breiling?

The only ones on full time leave are the MEC chairman, the Vice Chairman, the SPC chairman, the CNC (4 members), and the Communications Chairman. That makes 7. That does not include the reps. Get the facts before you speak.

 

[crjskipper]

pennecramp, asarjwoman and speedrape - all the same story, unhappy with current alpa - must be management. come on ladies - attempt to have a civil debate here. i know thats asking a lot from the three of you but try it for a little while.

i am not advocating lynn, but i find it funny that members of our current mec were in the crew lounge last week saying that we needed to vote for feruzzi. one pilot made a comment that feruzzi was a loaded gun - the response was that he had really changed and matured lately - i bet.

i didnt find a memo from brian wilson in my mailbox - if he did put them there he should be fired.

seems 8 years ago the union didnt have to lie, exaggerate and constantly tell us that everything management did was evil - we figured it out for ourselves. but our current misleadership in alpa treats us like babies...

time for them to go hang with dwayne...

 

[FightingIrish]

The only ones on full time leave are the MEC chairman, the Vice Chairman, the SPC chairman, the CNC (4 members), and the Communications Chairman. That makes 7. That does not include the reps. Get the facts before you speak.

I heard the P2P and Family Awareness Chairs were also on full time leave. Aren't there 2 SPC guys on leave also? That would make 10.

 

[John Pennekamp]

pennecramp, asarjwoman and speedrape - all the same story, unhappy with current alpa - must be management. come on ladies - attempt to have a civil debate here. i know thats asking a lot from the three of you but try it for a little while.

i am not advocating lynn, but i find it funny that members of our current mec were in the crew lounge last week saying that we needed to vote for feruzzi. one pilot made a comment that feruzzi was a loaded gun - the response was that he had really changed and matured lately - i bet.

i didnt find a memo from brian wilson in my mailbox - if he did put them there he should be fired.

seems 8 years ago the union didnt have to lie, exaggerate and constantly tell us that everything management did was evil - we figured it out for ourselves. but our current misleadership in alpa treats us like babies...

time for them to go hang with dwayne...

Wow, what a show of maturity!

And let me throw this out: I'm sick of the Farruzi bashing. He may be a bigmouth, sometimes an a-hole, and shoot from the hip a little, but you know what? He's a fighter and he's the a-hole we need fighting for us, not someone management can push over. Either way, he's given up 3+ years of his life fighting for our pilot group with nothing personally to show for it, except maybe a divorce, a target on his head, and insults from the pilots he's served. If you think you can do better, and want to take that job on, send out an email and announce your candidacy. Feel free to vote for the other candidates if you must, but don't sit here and bash one of the most passionate hard working reps we have unless you're prepared to walk in his shoes.

 

[ASARJMan]

i didnt find a memo from brian wilson in my mailbox - if he did put them there he should be fired.

Hey Chuck he put it on your desk. It's under the pilot occurences log!

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[crjskipper]

passionate - he's passionate. If all it takes to be an effective leader is passion, I vote for the wrong people. how ironic you want the ferrUZI bashing to stop but all the other bashing you direct is fine?

Passion without intelligence and reason is insanity. hitler was passionate. now im not comparing him to hitler but to vote for the guy simply because he is passionate - although wrongly misguided, untrusted and an a$$ - is crazy. he insults fellow pilots to their face - treats crewmembers he flies with like garbage and most fo's bid off the atr to stay far enough away from him.

asarjman - you seem awefully preoccupied with chuck's office???

 

[ASARJMan]

asarjman - you seem awefully preoccupied with chuck's office???

Uh oh! Don't tell him ok? lol

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