FLOPS in AIN

[dash_trash]

Njw - 300% +/-

Healthcare for my family is going from about $142 a month to just over $470 a month. I'm afraid that is not 159%, but more like just over 330%.

Very impressive for the company. I thought MS's changes in the Express division of USAir were bad (done that), this takes the cake.

 

[gunfyter]

Huh. Intersesting.

At NJA we have a NO RECORDATION policy. Dunno who perfected the spelling on that one.

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Ford and Harrison learning to spell?

 

[Some guy]

Huh. Intersesting.

At NJA we have a NO RECORDATION policy. Dunno who perfected the spelling on that one.

It's funny how when something breaks hard on our airplanes here (today) the company is eager to see if one has a phone camera and wouldn't mond sending in an image to help them get a "clearer picture".

#136 of the policy manual:

NetJets does not condone the interception or recordation of conversations by, between, or among employees concerning the business of NetJets, whether such conversations are in person or over the telephone. Accordingly, no employee shall intercept or record, attempt to intercept or record, or procure another person to intercept or record any in-person or telephone communications by, between, or among NetJets employees and relating in any way to the business of NetJets.
Consent for interception or recordation of in person or telephonic conversations may be granted by NetJets personnel at or above the level of Executive Vice President or President or a designee thereof. The granting of such consent is at the sole discretion of the Executive Vice President, President or his or her designee. In those instances where consent is granted, it shall be provided in writing.

I think this policy is just referring to phone traffic. The company doesn't want anyone (including our pilots) being incriminated for a simple phone conversation.
Asking for and getting pictures of a discrepancy (such as a birdstrike or other damage) many times is beneficial to the company because we can sometimes have a better understanding of what we are dealing with. In most cases our pilots are helpful when asked to do so and we are grateful for it.
SG​

 

[netjetwife]

Healthcare for my family is going from about $142 a month to just over $470 a month. I'm afraid that is not 159%, but more like just over 330%.

Very impressive for the company. I thought MS's changes in the Express division of USAir were bad (done that), this takes the cake.

Thanks for the reminder that the figure is for one pilot and doesn't include his/her family. That makes it even more disgusting and causes one to dig in their heels all the more. Talk about a slap in the face! Watch yourselves out on the line. Financial worries can be very fatiguing...and that's a huge paycut!

Dirty fighting like that has a way of backfiring and strengthening the resolve of the group being attacked. I think it's very penny wise but pound foolish. My sympathy and admiration to the Flt Ops pilots and their families!
Netjetwife

 

[ProFracPilot]

In most cases our pilots are helpful when asked to do so and we are grateful for it.

Perhaps sometime in the not too distant future, FltOps pilots will likewise be helpful when asked to do so.

 

[Frac Daddy]

Hmmm.... I thought status quo existed while the first contract was being negotiated. Guess I was wrong.

Good luck guys. Glad I am not there any more.

 

[dash_trash]

status quo

Only when it works to their (mgmt) advantage. :smash:

 

[netjetwife]

I don't know if it was legally wrong, but it definitely is morally! When they need to be holding out a carrot they grabbed a bigger stick.... like that's going to raise morale and make the pilots more productive..... Low morale has been proven to drag productivity right down with it.

I don't think they'd play that card unless they felt they had to. Dig in your heels and stand your ground! Those who have done a big remodeling project will tell you that it usually looks worse when you're tearing down the old broken part. Demolition can be messy and dirty but what you rebuild will be stronger and worth the work.
Hang in there!
NJW

 

[Number$Cruncher]

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[Ultra Grump]

One could do this, but then you would be subject to termination for violating the company's "No Recording Policy":

No Recording Policy​

Employees are prohibited from utilizing audio or video recording equipment (including cell phones for such purpose) on Company property or when Company business is being discussed, except where such audio or video equipment is provided by the Company and then only for purposes the Company has authorized. Still photography of aircraft, flight equipment and company premises, except as a background for photos of employees, requires management approval and then can be used only for the approved purpose. As with any other Company policy, violating this policy could result in disciplinary action, including termination.​

There's a whole lotta "CYA" goin' on...

The way to CYA in this instance: when you call in to your ACP about the mx discrepancy, volunteer to send them a pic from your camera phone, so they can "get a better idea what you're talking about." Once they agree, you're covered.

 

[netjetwife]

Good idea!

 

[EdAtTheAirport]

You legal types appear to have missed the loophole here. It says still
photography is prohibited. Put your digital camera into movie mode, and you're covered. In fact, you can even narrate what you're shooting. But that's not why I wrote.

What gets my attn here is the claim that mgmt is threatening those who write up mx discrepancies. I had this same problem with a former employer. When they retaliated, I hired a lawyer. They promptly backed down.

NJW, you are a very assertive advocate who spends far too much time on this board. I wish you would direct some effort to the FAA problem that exists. If a company is threatening pilots on safety issues, then the FAA should be over them like green chile over a burrito! That does not happen for political reasons.

That is where you (and the rest of you) can help the thousands of pilots working for unscrupulous operators. Unions are fine for the companies that deserve them, but this is a regulatory/ enforcement problem. You appear to have the verve to change that. I would be hoo-rah for you if you undertook that effort. Law and regs trump union contracts!

BTW Flops guys, google "Aviation Whistleblower Act." It might be of great use in that situation.

 

[FLYLOW22]

#136 of the policy manual:

Asking for and getting pictures of a discrepancy (such as a birdstrike or other damage) many times is beneficial to the company because we can sometimes have a better understanding of what we are dealing with. In most cases our pilots are helpful when asked to do so and we are grateful for it.​

SG​

The E True Hollywood Story behind the Recordation Policy is a bit humerous though...

 

[netjetwife]

Thanks for the vote of confidence, Ed... I think I'll leave the FAA Reg/Safety battle for the pilots as they are in a better position to fight that. I don't have access to that type of info like they do. I will promise though, that if there is ever such a situation at NJA that my husband tells me we should fight--I will. In the meantime, I think pilots can improve their working conditions by having the clout of the Union to back them up, and by working with the company on establishing and/or using the ASAP program. I know they're making progress on that at NJA. It's the right thing to do and the pilots should help foster its success by correctly following the process.

It was nice of you to post the info about the Aviation Whistleblower Act. That's a good example of pilots in the industry and/or on the board working together.
Regards,
NJW