SkyWest & More Scope Relief?

[BID]

SkyWest's COO also noted that opting for Bombardier's 900X aircraft probably "wouldn't be a stretch from where we're at," but a lot depends on where the next round of scope lines falls. Manufacturers would have to "scramble to those lines," he added. Bombardier is still studying the 900X. SkyWest currently flies six 900s and expects to take delivery of the last of 17 planes on order in March or April next year.




Took the above quote from an article in Aviation Daily and Defense Report 10-11-06

You think Ron Reber, COO, wants even more scope relief?

 

[lookin4better]

I know its their COO.....but cmon....dont these pilots ever want to work at a major airline?? Dont they realize when scope dies so does that chance of working at that airline.......?

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

I know its their COO.....but cmon....dont these pilots ever want to work at a major airline?? Dont they realize when scope dies so does that chance of working at that airline.......?

They don't care.....just so long as they can say they are a "(Mainline) Pilot".........."I fly, ya know, the planes that hold 120 seats"

 

[lookin4better]

Amen .....I see YOU got the memo!

 

[rtmcfi]

I know its their COO.....but cmon....dont these pilots ever want to work at a major airline?? Dont they realize when scope dies so does that chance of working at that airline.......?

Yes sir, the vast majority of regional pilots want to get on at a major. No regional pilot has any say over the fleet type. The major pilots (through scope) controll what the regionals fly. Don't give up the scope, and the regionals won't be flying 120 seat "express" planes.

 

[goahead]

Skywest pilots pay rate is the current downfall of the aviation industry.

 

[SKYWRJGUY]

Yup, the industry downfall is resultant from our payrate (to which I think you mean the same for all planes, not compensation). Pretty cool how SkyWest pilots and management can work together to move markets, affect economic policy, supply/demand, and be a model for the other hundreds of thousands employed in the industry,. regardless of category, craft, airline or sector. I suppose if we were to fix solely the pay--separate them I mean--we would then become the rising tide in the industry. Sorta gives us a God-like complex, thanks.

So, got anything smart to say or just dumb things?

 

[jstap1]

Yup, the industry downfall is resultant from our payrate (to which I think you mean the same for all planes, not compensation). Pretty cool how SkyWest pilots and management can work together to move markets, affect economic policy, supply/demand, and be a model for the other hundreds of thousands employed in the industry,. regardless of category, craft, airline or sector. I suppose if we were to fix solely the pay--separate them I mean--we would then become the rising tide in the industry. Sorta gives us a God-like complex, thanks.

So, got anything smart to say or just dumb things?

So your ability to lower the bar for everyone makes you God?

 

[Tomct]

So your ability to lower the bar for everyone makes you God?

Fortunately they don't ALL think like that!!!! Hopefully they will have a union on property SOON! Then it would be interesting to see if JA and RON would keep those planes a comin!

 

[Gutenberg]

i'm new to this and looking into a regional job. it seems to me that skywest pays near the best, has the coolest locales, has good upgrade times, and many of my friends left their curent job to work there and are very happy. how is that bad? seems like management has thier poo together, can charge what it costs to fly plus some profit margin, and keep the balance sheet in the black. how is that lowering the bar? money and benefits aren't everything anyway. what about just having fun at work?

 

[thebest]

Fortunately they don't ALL think like that!!!! Hopefully they will have a union on property SOON! Then it would be interesting to see if JA and RON would keep those planes a comin!

Ya good idea! So Skywest can lower the bar like the rest of the alpa bunch? THEBEST

 

[goahead]

i'm new to this and looking into a regional job. it seems to me that skywest pays near the best, has the coolest locales, has good upgrade times, and many of my friends left their curent job to work there and are very happy. how is that bad? seems like management has thier poo together, can charge what it costs to fly plus some profit margin, and keep the balance sheet in the black. how is that lowering the bar? money and benefits aren't everything anyway. what about just having fun at work?

Your first four words explain you. Go to NJ or Flex seriously
NEXT

 

[regionaltard]

Pretty cool how SkyWest pilots and management can work together....

It's not really saying "yes" unless you can say no, so what you call "working together" is what others might call "pitching" and "catching."

 

[www.]

Pretty cool how SkyWest pilots and management can work together to move markets, affect economic policy, supply/demand, and be a model for the other hundreds of thousands employed in the industry,. regardless of category, craft, airline or sector.

Hahahahah! Move markets. That's the best one yet. Hahahaha.

You fly an airplane. Did find a cure for cancer too?

 

[ohplease!]

Its amazing to me that an otherwise reasonably intelligent group of human beings can be sooo blinded by anger and hatred that you can't see the sarcasm in SKYWRJGUY's post.

Not that I'm surprised about it but, you folks are pathetic.

 

[MELIT]

Fortunately they don't ALL think like that!!!! Hopefully they will have a union on property SOON! Then it would be interesting to see if JA and RON would keep those planes a comin!

So are you saying ALPA = no growth? Go ALPA!

 

[Knob]

Just an observation here, but a 1st year CA at MESA makes $59/hour on the crj-900. At SKYWEST the same CA makes $56/hr.

 

[Mongolikecandy]

Just an observation here, but a 1st year CA at MESA makes $59/hour on the crj-900. At SKYWEST the same CA makes $56/hr.

In about three seconds you are going to hear someone talk about how performance bonuses make up for that.

 

[jegermeister]

i'm new to this and looking into a regional job. it seems to me that skywest pays near the best, has the coolest locales, has good upgrade times, and many of my friends left their curent job to work there and are very happy. how is that bad? seems like management has thier poo together, can charge what it costs to fly plus some profit margin, and keep the balance sheet in the black. how is that lowering the bar? money and benefits aren't everything anyway. what about just having fun at work?

You're right. It is a good deal. Go there if you can. Most of the pissing and moaning is coming from the ASA side of the house where we are being handed the wrong end of the sh*t stick. Good luck.

 

[jegermeister]

Yes sir, the vast majority of regional pilots want to get on at a major. No regional pilot has any say over the fleet type. The major pilots (through scope) controll what the regionals fly. Don't give up the scope, and the regionals won't be flying 120 seat "express" planes.

Delta started out as a regional. ATL-MLU in a prop plane smaller than an ATR. I wonder if the first group of pilots there wanted to move onto a bigger airline like say maybe TWA/Pan Am?

 

[FishandFly]

Yes sir, the vast majority of regional pilots want to get on at a major. No regional pilot has any say over the fleet type. The major pilots (through scope) controll what the regionals fly. Don't give up the scope, and the regionals won't be flying 120 seat "express" planes.

This is false. SKYW pilots had complete control over their fleet and they chose to degrade the industry by offering to fly bigger airplanes for the same money.

They have undermined the entire system.

 

[rightseatjocky]

Let's all lower the bar and fly the 90 for 50 rates.. NOTTTTTTTTT..

 

[Morning Wood]

This is false. SKYW pilots had complete control over their fleet and they chose to degrade the industry by offering to fly bigger airplanes for the same money.

They have undermined the entire system.

What a load of ********************. Do you really think that SkyWest's mgt would have told Delta and United "Sorry. Our pilots do not want to fly these airplanes" while they went to Mesa, Chataqua or whoever?

 

[MELIT]

This is false. SKYW pilots had complete control over their fleet and they chose to degrade the industry by offering to fly bigger airplanes for the same money.

They have undermined the entire system.

Put down the booze, yer stupid.

 

[imacdog]

Put down the booze, yer stupid.

Did Skywest pilots not argree to fly larger airplanes for the same pay?

 

[PBRstreetgang]

This is false. SKYW pilots had complete control over their fleet and they chose to degrade the industry by offering to fly bigger airplanes for the same money.

They have undermined the entire system.

Hey,
fisheninyourfly, simple concept, NO CONTRACT, no control. See its not that hard to grasp a simple concept. Now, when the Capt. tells you "shut up and color" you will know how to proceed.
PBR

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Let's all lower the bar and fly the 90 for 50 rates.. NOTTTTTTTTT..

Shut up and color!
PBR
P.S. you are too stupid for air, stop breathing it now!

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Did Skywest pilots not argree to fly larger airplanes for the same pay?

Depends,
Lessee, a vote conducted on the company server, monitered by the comany IT stooges, stopped 2 hours early, and the best part yet, Wall Street announcment a few hours later announcing the UAL deal. Way to strike a deal with UAL during the wee hours of the morning, NOT. The vote was determined long before the "vote" due to a lack of an enforceable contract, and their ability to stuff the electronic ballot box, "vote early and often", the managment motto.
PBR

 

[imacdog]

I see, well if the ALPA drive fails then we'll see where the Skywest pilots stand on wanting to rectify the situation. If they vote no, they will be agreeing with their current situation of flying ever-larger planes for the same money.

 

[Ponchus pilot]

I see, well if the ALPA drive fails then we'll see where the Skywest pilots stand on wanting to rectify the situation. If they vote no, they will be agreeing with their current situation of flying ever-larger planes for the same money.

Most of the attitudes were the same aat Commutair a few years ago. They had a chance to get a union. They trusted management and just a few months later they just reduced benefits. Now I dont knowwha will happen at skywest but no if the vote doesnt go through it shows that there is no unity and lets management run with it. They have been making millions and not sharing a dime with you.

In about three seconds you are going to hear someone talk about how performance bonuses make up for that.

MESA GOT THAT CONTRACTS AFTER 9/11. They had to give some to get a Scope clause so JO wouldnt transfer all the flying to Freedom. Now imagine if JO got a hold of Skywest and the pilots have no contract. I bet you he is having wet dreams about it everynight.