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Everyone wants to know what happened to PSA 900s. Doug Parker wants more 90 seat RJs at US Airways. He said he's not placing them at PSA, but he has yet to say where the 900s are going.

Q: Why hasn't Doug decided where to place the new 900s?


A: He's waiting for the teamsters to take over the union at PSA.


The same people that brought you Jets for Jobs, PSA's contract full of holes, slotted bidding, and some of the worst FO payrates in the industry are now working to bring the teamsters to PSA. It tooks years of battle to remove PSA's "give it away gang" from their elected ALPA possitions, but now with the help of PSA management these guys are trying to bring the teamsters to PSA. The teamsters will put the give it away clowns back into power and management will find a nice squishy low cost landing pad for their CRJ-900s.

PSA pilots please listen to the MEC hotline: 1 (800) 4JT-SFLY That little card you might have signed last week in the CLT crewroom wasn't just stating your willingness to listen to the teamsters. You might have signed your right to representation over to the teamsters. Those cards were placed in the crewroom with permission from management. Think before you sign anything.
 
Talk to your pilots, get a clue.

This is not a old MEC vs. new MEC. This is happening because of a lot of pissed off pilots. Take a moment and tell everyone what has gotten better?
Nothing and I mean nothing has changed.............. other than CELs in the left seats and no future here at PSA for other than your Captains.
 
ThrottleJockey1 said:
This is not a old MEC vs. new MEC. This is happening because of a lot of pissed off pilots. Take a moment and tell everyone what has gotten better?
Nothing and I mean nothing has changed.............. other than CELs in the left seats and no future here at PSA for other than your Captains.
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So what do you think the Teamsters will do for you? Removing ALPA will do nothing to solve any perceived problems that you have. Whether it's ALPA or Teamsters, the same local pilots will be running things.
 
Even if the Teamsters come to power, what good is it going to do? Do you really think they are the lesser of two evils? Ask the guys currently represented by them. GJ and Rep. You really want that kind of representation?

Now if they could get one of those long haul trucking contracts in here, I'm all ears!
 
My eyes are wide open

I didn't say bring in the Teamsters. I just said why all this is happening. If anything was getting better here, we wouldn't be having this conversation. This is not about a person or persons, it's about things still getting worse even with a new guard.
Trust me, I want things better here more than anyone. I am a FO.
 
ThrottleJockey1 said:
I didn't say bring in the Teamsters. I just said why all this is happening. If anything was getting better here, we wouldn't be having this conversation. This is not about a person or persons, it's about things still getting worse even with a new guard.
Trust me, I want things better here more than anyone. I am a FO.
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I am trying to explain to YOU why this is all happening.

FACT:

It IS the "alte garde" that started this buzz. Just look at the major players in and around the crew rooms trying to get people to implement this. Look at who is printing the stickers (look an awful lot like 'Stop the Mandas' stickers don't they? Coincidence? Not a chance). The current MEC is still trying to fix the F'n mess the previous administration implemented. People bitch and moan about how bad these LOAs are and such, then want to put the same people who were responsible for them back in power?!?! It's really unbelievable!!! Like any politician, these people are feeding on the low morale, bad blood, whatever and trying to use that to gain power. Do you really think they have anyones interest in mind other than their own? They don't give a *#($* about you, me, or any junior people here. That's not my opinion, that's precident.


BTW, if ST was in power they would've already sold out EVERYONE and signed the deal for 900s. So F them!!!
 
Was aproached yesterday regarding the teamsters thing.

I asked, why make the switch???

A: Well We are tired of ALPA bending us over. Unfairly negotiating things at ML that affect us.

Interesting view here. True, the Regionals are usually the red headed step child (apologies to all the red heads out there) But I asked, how would the past have changed with the teamsters on property????

Well we could have negotiatied something different. Interesting, might have been able to.

I asked, did you not have a chance to say yes or no, to the J4J program as well as slotting. The answer was well no we couldn't say no (I wouldn't be here) . No No No...take away the emotional response. Was there a choice. Yes there was (though no might not have resulted in a desired outcome) But there was a choice, as every other participant had a choice. Slotted bidding, did you have a choice to say yes or no. A: Well no, it was shoved down our throats by ALPA, we had no choice. (or it was voted in by MEC) well there's emotions again. Whether by elected officials or by the membership, there was still a choice to say yes or no.

Now with teamsters on the property. Would you have had the same choice??? Yes or no. Pretty much....yes.

With teamsters on property, could you as a group have changed what AAA MEC negotiated in the way of terms /requirements for the relaxation of their scope. I seriously doubt it. Ultimately you would have still simply had the ability to say Yes or No.

He then jumped on the pointed and heated debate of the CEL pilots here (6 of them.) I asked, well with teamsters on property would they not be here??? Well for comparison, lets look at Republic (teamsters with J4J)

Does Republic have J4J on property?? Does Republic have CEL pilots on property??? Does Republic have slotted bidding? Yes / Yes (30 of them) / No.....

I believe there was some negotiations on slotted form of bidding, but Republic said no, and the two sides sat down and hashed something out. Ultimately (minus the slotted bidding) they have the same deal the PSA guys have.

In fact there are about 80 J4J's on property at Republic, for about 28 airplanes. Wheras PSA has about 70 active on property for 49 airplanes. (oh and republic is running another class of 7 J4J's )


So void of emotional responses and hearsay, someone tell me, how will teamsters inprove the life of the average PSA pilot????
 
So what is the hang up with the flowthrough? I know...stupid question but I am understandably curious. I don't mind the J4J's being here. They have all taken a beating and suffered just like the PSA FOs suffer.

Cant we have one list and keep ALPA. What is so hard about one list including PSA when the integration with West gets finished...it would be good for everyone.

I sure get tired of all this fighting...it is depressing...alright...back to my cold adult beveridge.

cheers!
 
So i was trying to explain the "slotted bidding" to the guy I was flying with last night (I left PSA for greener pastures) and his response was - " you guys agreed to what??!!!!??" All I could do was shake my head and explain to him that we actually did not agree to it at all but the MEC ratified the agreement without us. These same guys would have done that whether they were teamsters or alpa. They sold you guys out.
Now that they have started bringing CEL guys over wouldn't it be a better expenditure of your effort to put together a lawsuit over the violation of your original agreement- IE: the J4J agreement was never intended to include PDT guys going over to PSA. Wasn't it a lawsuit against AAA that got those guys their mainline numbers? So why not use that same tactic against them.
 
Weasil said:
Now that they have started bringing CEL guys over wouldn't it be a better expenditure of your effort to put together a lawsuit over the violation of your original agreement- IE: the J4J agreement was never intended to include PDT guys going over to PSA.
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This is not true, there was no violation of the original agreement.


Wasn't it a lawsuit against AAA that got those guys their mainline numbers?
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No. The lawsuit has nothing to do with seniority numbers at AAA.
 
check this out

we have all seen what ALPA can do for us.................MAN it just doesn' get any better than that...........now lets see what teamsters can do!

We don't know what they will do for us...but we do know what ALPA has done...NOTHING

Hell I haven't heard anything from our ALPA group about 900's what happened, flow through what happened, CEL pilots what happened......

PSA is a joke, lets see what teamsters have to say.!
 
Unions are made up of members of your pilot group that you elect. ALPA isn't some group of weird people, it's your own people from PSA. If you don't like what they're doing, then elect someone else who will carry out the interests of most of the pilot group. Why do you think it will be better if you bring Teamsters in and you elect the same people to represent you?
 
I think the problem comes from communication. And the fact that there is none. Everything is hearsay. The MEC needs to let the pilots know the truth about the negotiations, what happened what was said. Did ALPA national have a part in it or not. If you want the teamsters to go away let us in on all the big secrets and let the pilots make a decision based on facts not rumors!
 
PSA folks, go to the local site. The MEC chairman explains it all and even gives you his agenda for his daily work. He even apologizes for the lack of communication to the pilot group. Don't hang him out to dry just yet. He has only been in office for a short while trying to clean up the spill in aisle 4. It is good to know the old members started a lightning show for the pilots and ALPA. Management now has enough time to find a way to screw us more. Maybe more JMs, shorting paychecks, extensions, etc. Teamsters really seems to be working out for us already. :rolleyes:
 
By fractionalizing our ranks with the teamsters we put ourselves in a very precarious position. In these days, solidarity is of the utmost importance. We need ALPA. We need Skywest to be ALPA. Giving away 75 years of representation would be a huge mistake. In my opinion the task should be to fix ALPA and work on getting a national list.

Teamsters representation will only make the whipsaw worse.
 
PSA folks, go to the local site. The MEC chairman explains it all and even gives you his agenda for his daily work. He even apologizes for the lack of communication to the pilot group. Don't hang him out to dry just yet
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Nothing to do with Mark at all. I think he is a very well spoken, intelligent man. In order for the mess to be cleaned up we need some communication. All i know is that the last thing in the world we need at PSA is the old MEC crew. They did everything in their power to put the screws to the F/O's. Everyday we see it in the contract. Every month when we get the bid packets and there are lines taken away from the F/O's is a stab in the back. We should be IOE protected. We should have accpetable hotels. QOL is horrible because of the old crew.
 
Pandoras box has been opened.

Once the give it away gang let the slotted bidding Genie out of the bottle you can not put it back in. This will become an effort in trying to herd cats.

The OLD mec would have sold you out for the 900 deal in a heart beat, and if you give them the chance they will do it under the teamster name.
 
Ask any Laker how they feel about the IBT. Their response will be eye opening to say the least.

Lets all pull together...and win together...to do that we don't need the IBT. IBT will only create divisiveness amongst the rank and file.
 
Long-Gonner said:
From your point of view........ From the point of view of a 5 year PSA FO, it is a violation.
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My point of view is just reading the document. It's spelled out VERY clearly. Its black and white with no room for interpretation.... Read it. I think that's the problem, many accepted LOA 91 and J4J without really reading the entire document.
 
Those that wanted or want to know what happen regarding the 900's, Go look at the teamster thread on Local 61......it's explained all there by Mark.... If you don't have access, ask someone in the crewroom on a productivity sit...
 

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