G0Jet Jumpseaters?

[PGTB]

Whats standard practice out there...am I the only one denying these guys still? Seems weve let TSA hang out to dry.

 

[skyta]

Whats standard practice out there...am I the only one denying these guys still? Seems weve let TSA hang out to dry.

I just let them on because someday I may have to jumpseat with them.

 

[paddlehigh]

hope you don't work for TSA or GO Jets because if you do I feel for yooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

 

[rtmcfi]

I just let them on because someday I may have to jumpseat with them.

Selfish short-sightedness. They stuck a knife in your back and twisted it. And you let them get away with it.

I can't do much about these pieces of trash, but they sure as hell don't ride in my jumpeat.

 

[sniper]

I just let them on because someday I may have to jumpseat with them.

No way.....................................

 

[BankAccount=0$]

We had one jumpseat on a flight I worked a couple of weeks ago. We were running late, and the agent came down and asked if it was ok to send him down. I tried politely to explain to the Captain the deal with Go Jet, but he wasn't fully interested as we were really trying to make up lost time. The agent actually laughed at the conversation and said she hears the same discussion a lot. In the end he got on, and I spent awhile explaining to the cappy what the deal was all about on the flight home.

Part of the problem is that since they are somwhat new out there a lot of guys don't know who they are, only that they are pt. 121 and therefore "allowed" to ride. Personally I don't have any say as to if they ride or not since I'm only a FO, but if nothing else all the TSA jumpseaters should at least mention what the deal is with Go Jet to the crews that they ride with. After explaining what they were all about the Captain I was flying with said if he had known he probably would have said no to the ************************* jumpseater.

Best thing is to get the word out there and let the individual crews decide for themselves. I'm not a Captain so it doesn't really come down to me as to let them on or not, but I try to explain who they are, and what they mean to the TSA pilots and their jobs.................

 

[paddlehigh]

Wow, is it because everyone hates you trans states scabs or mesa or go jets or freedom you all work for the same shaaaaaaaaty company and you had to choose to go their or somewhere else but you choose to go to the dark side, if you don't like it, which I don't know why you thought you would; different story, then don't try to justify your shiaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaty angry for working for such a shiaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaty because no other airline especially mine wants either of you scabs jump seating on our flights. ps sword fight together its a doubled edged swored

 

[skyta]

No way.....................................

Well I am sorry that we work in an industry where management does not care about their employees. We are all just a number and expendable. I'm sorry if the truth hurts. Its reality! I think in the future there will be more and more like GJ and there's nothing we can do about it. As long as there's a will, there's going to be a way that management will screw us. I'm sure the pilot group at TSA did everything they could from preventing GJ from happening but yet GJ are flying passengers around as we speak. The only thing you guys are doing is just hurting your fellow pilots that need to get to work and feed their families.

 

[Lav Service]

Hmmmm. So we're all just screwed and its a dog-eat-dog world huh? Well, I guess I won't feel bad when I take you're job after you are furloughed when your flying is outsourced to another company. Too bad. After all, it's reality right?

 

[rtmcfi]

Well I am sorry that we work in an industry where management does not care about their employees. We are all just a number and expendable. I'm sorry if the truth hurts. Its reality! I think in the future there will be more and more like GJ and there's nothing we can do about it. As long as there's a will, there's going to be a way that management will screw us. I'm sure the pilot group at TSA did everything they could from preventing GJ from happening but yet GJ are flying passengers around as we speak. The only thing you guys are doing is just hurting your fellow pilots that need to get to work and feed their families.

You are myopia defined. Pretend to be a self-respecting adult for once. That guy that is just trying to feed his family is making it more difficult for you to do the same. Where there is a will there is a way huh.... well, the will I wish to impose is that it is unacceptable to take your pilot brethren out at the knees. I will do everything in my limited power to make GJ pukes see the err of their ways. Be it a ride home, or me sitting across from one of them at an interview table. I will do my part. I am disappointed you feel so helpless, and so predestined to be screwed. Perhaps if you and others like you had a will, there would be a way.

 

[paddlehigh]

Well sorry to tell you the truth, but I had a choice to go to mesa or tsa, but I thought about it for five seconds and realized no not for the man who has hust a little pride. Sorry you did't shop around for a better company, and more sorry you try to play the management card. Why go, why stay, why try to justify, just leave, trust me its better everywhere I am sorry to have to notify you of your blindness. Why do people choose such options?

 

[$$$4nothin]

As an FO there is something you can do about it. Tell your captain that if the g0j3t guy gets on the plane you are going to get really sick and have to call in unfit to fly. That will get his attention. Then you can spend the next hour explaining who they are, with the peice of trash still sitting in the terminal instead of behind you. Trust me the capt. will thank you after he figures out who they are, and what they did. Extreme yes, but I would go to the extreme if it scr3ws a g0j3t guy. TSA guys keep up the good fight.

 

[skyta]

Well sorry to tell you the truth, but I had a choice to go to mesa or tsa, but I thought about it for five seconds and realized no not for the man who has hust a little pride. Sorry you did't shop around for a better company, and more sorry you try to play the management card. Why go, why stay, why try to justify, just leave, trust me its better everywhere I am sorry to have to notify you of your blindness. Why do people choose such options?

That is just my opinion. I will continue to let GJ jumpseaters on.

 

[rtmcfi]

That is just my opinion. I will continue to let GJ jumpseaters on.

Then don't ever complain about the state of the industry....

sackless wonder....

 

[JohnnyP]

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$$$4nothin,

Theres a bunch of guys on this message board that care, and get fired up about GJ, but I think we forget that theres so many more out there on the line (and off of flightinfo) that dont know about it, and even if they did wouldnt even care. I personally think calling in sick because the cappy wants to let on a GJ JS'er is extreme, but thats just me. Ill be damned if im gonna get off my ride home on the last day of a four day because some JS'er wants to get on.

 

[skyta]

Then don't ever complain about the state of the industry....

sackless wonder....

Read carefully. I was not complaining about the state of the industry. I was merely stating the condition.

 

[Traumahawk]

I agree, I think people are letting them on more and more. Time heals.

I will continue to educate people about H0-Jets and truly despise those who have the nerve to show up for a privilege they gave away the second they showed up for a GJ interview.

If the industry is in the toilet, this company flushes it right down the pipes.

T-Hawk

 

[joeywoofwoof]

Yup, and the GoatJet topic is getting old. I'm cheering on the underdogs here, they are welcome on my XJet anytime they want- they've always let me on theirs. You TSA crybabies would've been tickled to death if you had gotten our 69 airplanes, your fight is a lost cause...

 

[Shrek]

EASY junior......a lot of pilots here did NOT want that flying.

If you don't believe that then YOU are a lost cause.

 

[stage]

We had one jumpseat on a flight I worked a couple of weeks ago. We were running late, and the agent came down and asked if it was ok to send him down. I tried politely to explain to the Captain the deal with Go Jet, but he wasn't fully interested as we were really trying to make up lost time. The agent actually laughed at the conversation and said she hears the same discussion a lot. In the end he got on, and I spent awhile explaining to the cappy what the deal was all about on the flight home.

Part of the problem is that since they are somwhat new out there a lot of guys don't know who they are, only that they are pt. 121 and therefore "allowed" to ride. Personally I don't have any say as to if they ride or not since I'm only a FO, but if nothing else all the TSA jumpseaters should at least mention what the deal is with Go Jet to the crews that they ride with. After explaining what they were all about the Captain I was flying with said if he had known he probably would have said no to the ************************* jumpseater.

Best thing is to get the word out there and let the individual crews decide for themselves. I'm not a Captain so it doesn't really come down to me as to let them on or not, but I try to explain who they are, and what they mean to the TSA pilots and their jobs.................

I dont get it....is this some round-about way of trying to stick it to TSA management? How does this effort hurt the real perpetrators?

 

[Smarta$$]

I dont get it....is this some round-about way of trying to stick it to TSA management? How does this effort hurt the real perpetrators?

The pilots at gayjets are the real perpetrators, along with management. And the feed the family bullshoot doesnt fly because virtually every regional is aggressively hiring pilots. Go feed your family at an airline that isnt screwing over a pilot group within your own company.

There is no justifying the fact that Trans States Holdings is hiring pilots and laying them off at the very same time. That is a replacement worker in my book...................................

 

[Smarta$$]

Yup, and the GoatJet topic is getting old. I'm cheering on the underdogs here, they are welcome on my XJet anytime they want- they've always let me on theirs. You TSA crybabies would've been tickled to death if you had gotten our 69 airplanes, your fight is a lost cause...

So what you are saying is that you would condone Xjet for starting an alter ego airline to circumevent your pilot contract, and give growth aircraft to pilots that are not on the Xjet seniority list?

hmmm, not very intellegent statements you are making.

 

[BritishGuy]

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[stage]

The pilots at gayjets are the real perpetrators, along with management. And the feed the family bullshoot doesnt fly because virtually every regional is aggressively hiring pilots. Go feed your family at an airline that isnt screwing over a pilot group within your own company.

There is no justifying the fact that Trans States Holdings is hiring pilots and laying them off at the very same time. That is a replacement worker in my book...................................

So your goal is to make go-jets pilots so miserable that they will all quit, shutting down the go-jets operation, bringing management to its knees, thereby forcing management to give all those 700s to TSA? Is that how it's supposed to work?

 

[spiffomatic]

The pilots at gayjets are the real perpetrators, along with management. And the feed the family bullshoot doesnt fly because virtually every regional is aggressively hiring pilots. Go feed your family at an airline that isnt screwing over a pilot group within your own company.

There is no justifying the fact that Trans States Holdings is hiring pilots and laying them off at the very same time. That is a replacement worker in my book...................................

This is the EXACT problem, and it bears repeating. Trans States Holdings is CURRENTLY furloughing some pilots as they hire others. This whole g0jet operation only got off the ground because there were pilots willing to enter a company that would use those practices - these pilots strike me as the type who have ZERO SCRUPLES and would walk right over you to move up a spot in line. I fortunately know MANY pilots who would NEVER take a job at that company even when they have mouths to feed - they would not stoop that low, and there are always others hiring. Just look at ACA/Independence... they've scattered throughout the industry, some waiting patiently for a job opp, but at best, very few went to GJ.

Figure it out. A company (Trans States Holdings) that will screw their primary group of employees to try to get a leg up (with inferior work rules, split union, etc), will do that same thing each time to both groups if/when new flying opportunities present themselves.

I can't see myself ever taking a GJ js'er

 

[WMUSIGPI]

Well I am sorry that we work in an industry where management does not care about their employees. We are all just a number and expendable. I'm sorry if the truth hurts. Its reality! I think in the future there will be more and more like GJ and there's nothing we can do about it. As long as there's a will, there's going to be a way that management will screw us. I'm sure the pilot group at TSA did everything they could from preventing GJ from happening but yet GJ are flying passengers around as we speak. The only thing you guys are doing is just hurting your fellow pilots that need to get to work and feed their families.

That attitude isn't limited to airline management. Unfortunately it has become the attitude (with very limited exception) of American management.

 

[stage]

I'm not new to aviation, but new to this board.

Why didnt TSA pilots threaten to strike or actually go on strike in the beginning when they saw what management was planning with go-jets? That kind of solidarity might have prevented go-jets from getting off the ground in the first place.

But it seems to me that denying a jumpseat to a go-jets pilot does nothing at all to benefit a TSA pilot. Maybe somebody here with a different perspective can explain how it does.

 

[f/o(forever)]

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[stage]

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[f/o(forever)]

Why didnt TSA pilots threaten to strike or actually go on strike in the beginning when they saw what management was planning with go-jets? That kind of solidarity might have prevented go-jets from getting off the ground in the first place.

WE WANTED TO STRIKE BUT COULDN'T!! Illegal work actions are just that, illegal! Unions in this country have lost their balls!!, and laws protect management!! GOD HELP US ALL!!