zw Fo stay or go

[cargojunkie]

If you had 6-8 months at the company and another job was offered today what would you do?

 

[utahpilot]

as someone who just left after only 9 months with ZW, I'd say...

it depends. for me, it was all about bases and growth. I was hired at SkyWest, which for me was a perfect fit in that I'd wanted to move back West and they have lots of growth still happening. I wouldn't be surprised if they were awarded part of the flying that has been sent out to bid. for me, ORD or IAD are not places I wanted to live, and commuting was not a long term option. so, I started over at SkyWest. but that's my situation, yours is yours.

I think it's anyone's guess as to where things will go with ZW now. I was happy there and liked it, I just wanted to (1) live in my base and be back in the west and (2) hopefully upgrade sooner.

my .02

g'luck

 

[WhiteCloud]

If you had 6-8 months at the company and another job was offered today what would you do?

I don't think there is enough information out there to come close to making an intelligent decision. The turbulence at UAL and consequently at AWAC is getting to be pretty much industry standard stuff now. In short...I don't think switching jobs for that purpose will solve whatever issues you are having at work at AWAC. Utah's post has some good comments so I'll just add that you should switch based on your personal needs and desires and only go to a solid company where you see yourself for a significant period of time.

 

[utahpilot]

you should switch based on your personal needs and desires and only go to a solid company where you see yourself for a significant period of time.

he said it better than me! that sums up why I left.

UP

 

[J32driver]

and only go to a solid company where you see yourself for a significant period of time.

Air Willy was pretty darned stable until about 4 days ago. Good luck with picking a "stable" airline.

 

[FreightNazi]

What airlines are considered stable now days?

 

[ultrarunner]

6 to 8 months at the current gig, and someone comes along and offers me the CEO gig, with a kick-butttt contract, stock options, separation pay, etc... Yeah, I'd prly bail.

But it it's for a greeter at WalMart, I'd prly stick it out...

Wait, the greeter job might be ok.

Never miss an opportunity to be specific!

 

[WhiteCloud]

Air Willy was pretty darned stable until about 4 days ago. Good luck with picking a "stable" airline.

Well...not really but at least they try. AWAC makes a sincere effort to be "stable". It's not just some HR line on a web site. They just don't have any real control over the situation at UAL. AWAC is at their mercy and has been for the past couple years since UAL started abusing the bankruptcy laws.

 

[ultrarunner]

If UAL is abusing bankruptcy laws, then they have the judges on their side. And if that's the case, then the effort needs to be on the part of ALPA to insure "union" sympathetic judges are elected.

But, we have seen recently what ALPA get's 'ya.

Unions are a dying breed. Look at the numbers. And judges that are sypathetic to unions are few and far between.

It's all about the money. Unions get theirs when times are good. Good grief, I can remember the 'Delta Chant' about "UNITED PLUS 1%"... OMG. It was embarrasing to read it at the time. Delta membership is not likely waving that banner now. But in the lean years, you wind up giving it back, plus a whole bunch more.

As I have said before...my wife is a senior Exec. and and she and the legal departmemts she works with spend MANY hours figuring out how to "get around the law" and still be legal. And they do it.

The unions that you think protect you will NEVER be that strong. I have seen it from the other side, in converstations with someone who "beats down" ( I use that term loosly) the union groups that she deals with. Since the unions she deals with decide to remain organized, they will always have to bargain for every benefit they get, and are excluded from many more.

Judges in most cases will always side with the argument that is in the BEST interest of the shareholder. As they should, IMHO. THEY (shareholders) will always come first. And if it's at the expense of the employee, so-be-it, in the eyes of the law.

Like it or not, that's just the way it is. IMHO, a union member should NEVER feel that something is entitled, but I get the feeling that many "members" feel that way, from arguments I read on this board.

Good luck to all...

 

[Clyde]

If you had 6-8 months at the company and another job was offered today what would you do?

Will this new job offer you better pay, better stability, and better quality of life? How about retirement, can you do it better at another company?

If the answers are yes, than go for it. Just remember, there are stories out there of guys who left Federal Express during their first couple of years because the grass looked a lot greener at places like Eastern and Braniff.

 

[CRJ Driver]

What airlines are considered stable now days?

You hijacked my avatar dude!! Bunghole.

 

[Vik]

Are you guys really using the word "airline" and "stable" in the same sentence?

 

[DiverDriver]

Are you guys really using the word "airline" and "stable" in the same sentence?

OMG I'm actually crying. It was funny as hell to me I guess since I'm at AWAC now and wondering with the rest of them. I was telling people that I didn't make a lot of money but I did like AWAC because we seemed to be dodging the worst of the sh!t these days. Whoooooops!! Spoke too soon I guess.

Our concessions last year were to be contingent apon approval with the Judge and United. What this "un-assumed" contract BS is I don't know. As far as I see it I want my back pay because if we didn't really have a contract with United then there shouldn't be concessions. .......My opinion of course.

Do what you feel you need to. If the opportunity feels right then take it. There are no guarantees in this job.

 

[WhiteCloud]

If UAL is abusing bankruptcy laws, then they have the judges on their side. And if that's the case, then the effort needs to be on the part of ALPA to insure "union" sympathetic judges are elected.


As I have said before...my wife is a senior Exec. and and she and the legal departmemts she works with spend MANY hours figuring out how to "get around the law" and still be legal. And they do it.

Great lecture my friend but here's the thing....just because something is "legal" or better put....something you can twist around to make sound "legal" or something you can make happen "legally" doesn't make it the right thing to do. Sure....you can go bankrupt and renig "legally" on your contracts. But...it's also a matter of what your word is worth and if you want to have any future dealings with the organizations you have "legally" broken your word to better darn well behave ethically even if it isn't required "legally".

 

[FreightNazi]

You hijacked my avatar dude!! Bunghole.

In the glorious tradition of the major vs regional wars on this message board... Since I'm at a major and you are still at a regional, If I want to take your avatar you must yield it to me!