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HomerJ

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Delta objects to discounter's JFK-London plans
The plans of low-cost carrier Zoom Airlines to fly from New York JFK to London Gatwick are facing opposition from potential rival Delta Air Lines. Travel Weekly (free registration) writes that Delta filed an objection last week with the Department of Transportation in which it questioned whether Zoom is in full compliance with U.S. foreign ownership rules. "Zoom was established in Canada and still flies from eight Canadian cities to five in the U.K., and from four Canadian cities to Paris. But last August, the Bank of Scotland acquired a minority stake in Zoom, which used the money to create a sister company in the U.K. to fly to non-Canadian destinations," Travel Weekly writes. "Zoom did not say anything about that in its application," the publication adds, saying that Zoom described itself simply as a "United Kingdom company."
Zoom's application apparently offered no additional information regarding the relationship between the "U.K. company" and the Canadian one. As for Delta, it's upset with what is says calls Zoom's "lack of information and the close, but unexplained, linkage between Zoom Airlines and Canadian controlled/owned Zoom Airlines Inc." In its objection, Delta says that "if, as it appears, Zoom is owned and controlled by Canadian citizens," then its application essentially is an "attempted end run" around bi-lateral aviation agreements in place between the U.S. and both Canada and the U.K.
 
Welcome to the low ball, douch e-bag beginnings of "low cost carriers" across the Atlantic. EWR just saw the emergence of silverjet. yay
 
Very true. I would expect DAL to drastically undercut AAI on every route, even operating at a loss, to see how long they can stay business.

I suspect after BK, DAL will be able to afford this if they're not already doing it. Should be fun to watch. Both those outfits are in my market, so I'm thinking is a win-win for me...for a while ;-)
 
Well, if Delta doesn't get its way on this one, will they take their toys and go home? "We want to stand alone and be a strong competitor." "Hey, that's not fair--we need protection." What's it gonna be Delta?

They had their way for so long, now they whine about everything. TC

P.S.--How's it going Ultrarunner? Getting any of that snow up where you are? :eek: Take care!
 
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Very true. I would expect DAL to drastically undercut AAI on every route, even operating at a loss, to see how long they can stay business.

I suspect after BK, DAL will be able to afford this if they're not already doing it. Should be fun to watch. Both those outfits are in my market, so I'm thinking is a win-win for me...for a while ;-)


That is a real smart strategy :rolleyes: .
 
Well, if Delta doesn't get its way on this one, will they take their toys and go home? "We want to stand alone and be a strong competitor." "Hey, that's not fair--we need protection." What's it gonna be Delta?

They had their way for so long, now they whine about everything. TC

P.S.--How's it going Ultrarunner? Getting any of that snow up where you are? :eek: Take care!

Zoom is a Canadian company, with 99% of its flights flying from Canada to Europe and the Carribbean. Should Delta protest if they start JFK to LGW? You bet. I don't think we could start service from Vancouver or Calgary to LGW without going through the Canadian government. It makes total sense.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
It's the airlines dude....


...is there some valid reason you don't think this will happen based on past practices?


The change in bankruptcy laws make it a lot harder for a corporation to abuse this process.
If I understand it correctly - there is a much higher likelihood of liquidation being the final outcome. (This impending change was why it was a given that NW and DAL would file when they did)
 
Very true. I would expect DAL to drastically undercut AAI on every route, even operating at a loss, to see how long they can stay business.

I suspect after BK, DAL will be able to afford this if they're not already doing it. Should be fun to watch. Both those outfits are in my market, so I'm thinking is a win-win for me...for a while ;-)

They do it now, and have been. The problem is DAL loses money matching fares that are profitable for AAI. Better cut pay some more!
 
Zoom is a Canadian company, with 99% of its flights flying from Canada to Europe and the Carribbean. Should Delta protest if they start JFK to LGW? You bet. I don't think we could start service from Vancouver or Calgary to LGW without going through the Canadian government. It makes total sense.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Well, then, how can they carry pax between two countries not of their origin? TC
 
Zoom is a Canadian company, with 99% of its flights flying from Canada to Europe and the Carribbean. Should Delta protest if they start JFK to LGW? You bet. I don't think we could start service from Vancouver or Calgary to LGW without going through the Canadian government. It makes total sense.


Bye Bye--General Lee

No it doesn't.
If they're cheap to Gatwick I'll fly on 'em, no problem. Don't really care which flag they fly. Competition is good.

Plus the mere fact that they are a foreign carrier assures that the service will be far superior to that of Delta.
 
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No it doesn't.
If they're cheap to Gatwick I'll fly on 'em, no problem. Don't really care which flag they fly. Competition is good.

Plus the mere fact that they are a foreign carrier assures that the service will be far superior to that of Delta.

Would Southern Air deadhead you on Zoom from JFK to LGW? Wow, they must be desperate. Wait, they hired you! Are you getting tired of those 17 day trips yet? Getting sick of Incheon? I would be. You must be lonely.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
GL--Why would the mighty, effecient Delta be afraid of some piss-ant airline like Zoom?

Besides, it's just one lousy route. Delta owns the N. Atlantic. Come on. TC
 
GL--Why would the mighty, effecient Delta be afraid of some piss-ant airline like Zoom?

Besides, it's just one lousy route. Delta owns the N. Atlantic. Come on. TC

That route cost us money when we bought it from UAL. Any reason why we can't jump on the Heathrow bandwagon? Oh, that's right, that is restricted too.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 

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