your thought on (Mrs) Clinton in 2008???

[Typhoon1244]

I do believe that you're a participant in the widespread pop-culture trend of Bush bashing because it's in vogue and trendy.

Ask my wife how much I care about being "trendy." ("You're going to wear that?")

I suppose it's not fair to dislike W. simply because his father is a schmuck, so you're right: I started out hating W. for all the wrong reasons. But once he started campaigning, I learned that W.'s actually worse than his father.

 

[flywithastick]

Ask my wife how much I care about being "trendy." ("You're going to wear that?")

Same here... you just wait. You get a little older and your kid(s) will want you to do art work with them. Your sense of colors and imagination will be reduced to drawing black rectangles and squares with a crayon and a ruler, while they're drawing green and purple 5 wheeled cars, that fly and have six eyes!

I suppose it's not fair to dislike W. simply because his father is a schmuck, so you're right: I started out hating W. for all the wrong reasons. But once he started campaigning, I learned that W.'s actually worse than his father.

funny - I dislike his dad quite a bit. He broke his promise on the taxes - big negative with me. He's a one-worlder - another bigger negative, etc.

I see "W" as only like his dad in that they're both right of center, both republicans and have the related genetics.

 

[lookup]

If it makes you feel better to remember it that way, fine. I guess you'd better go edit your posts so they conform to your story. We'll wait.

Man that is SOOOOO classic.. You have a historical record of what was said, when, and now you deflect and imply that I am going to go change that record to match my view of the world.. I love it... classic When the facts contridict, you must deflect...

For the record, I mistyped something (typing too fast and not reviewing what I wrote), and you call me on it.. (Arkansas comment)... So I pick back at you... Phulease....

Well, of course unless I was "attacking you" by asking you if you were sh!tting me (us) or "are you f'ing serious"? Are you really that sensitive, or is it just a game to avoid real factual debate (my money is on the latter).... You have yet to respond to my repeated reaquests for either factual evidence or direct actions (suggestions)... That is too black/white for you it appears...

LU

 

[Snakum]

Hillary Clinton? Connie Rice? Just two different flavors of the same greedy, self-serving, backroom deal-making, human waste known as a 'politician'. Six of one ... half dozen of the other.

You guys just don't get it, do you? Democrats sold your jobs down the river long ago and the Republicans are jumping on as fast they can, and at the same time spending billions for an un-winnable war while the Walmart applications pile up from the former middle class. Neither one cares about you, your job, your family (unless you make enough to contribute substantially to an election campaign), or your future. Both would sell their mother or spread their legs to get ahead and to fill their personal coffers.

The only currently public figure I would even bother to get off my fat ass and vote for is Colin Powell. He has integrity, and he has guts. I won't like his politics on every issue ... but integrity is a start. We haven't had that in many years.

Minh

 

[Timebuilder]

The often repeated Mansoor Ijaz story turned out to be a sham.

There were aspects of that story that now seem doubtful, that much is certain. It is easy to say that there was no possibility of the capture, but that can only be said in retrospect. Had we, the US that is, acted on the lead at the time, there is no telling that we might have found out a great deal more about Al Queda and its intentions, if not the capture of UBL.

The greatest historical indictment of Clinton in this matter is the action that he chose not to take when there was no retrospective doubt about the quality or details of the offer made by Ijaz. In other words, one can choose to not act on intelligence and give up any advantage that might be gained, or you can act on it and gain a great deal more than you anticipate. It's like the lottery ads: "you've go to play to win". Clinton chose not to play.

 

[Typhoon1244]

Had we, the US that is, acted on the lead at the time...

We did. Sandy Berger and Daniel Benjamin (among others) pursued the lead both through Ijaz and the Sudanese government. There was nothing there...except a guy who thought he could make a quick buck off the U.S. governement. (He works for Fox News now...)

 

[Timebuilder]

Can you give me a link to an article that describes how this was looked into? I'm always willing to read more.

 

[Typhoon1244]

Can you give me a link to an article that describes how this was looked into?

If I can find it again. I saw it for the first time in U.S. News and World Report. (I can't stomach Time or Newsweek anymore...)

Let me look around...

 

[Timebuilder]

Thanks.

US News is a much better mag than Time or Newsweek these days.

 

[Typhoon1244]

Timebuilder, I haven't found the article I read yet. I did find an article that Berger wrote in the Washington Post about the Sudanese situation. It doesn't go into as much detail.

I also found this.

From the Washington Post, December 19, 2001, Page A01
The lines Clinton opted not to cross continued to define U.S. policy in his successor's first eight months. Clinton stopped short of using more decisive military instruments, including U.S. ground forces, and declined to expand the reach of the war to the Taliban regime that hosted bin Laden and his fighters after 1996.

Not until the catastrophe of Sept. 11...did President Bush obliterate those boundaries.

 

[spanky2]

Hillary Clinton
Hillary Rodham
Hillary Rodham Clinton

Anyway you say it...very scary thought of her as Commander in Chief. Be afraid, be very afraid.

 

[Typhoon1244]

Anyway you say it...very scary thought of [Hillary] as Commander in Chief.

Think positive: maybe Katherine Harris will run against her.

 

[VivaZapata]

Hillary 08! I'm all for it. We need someone to rebuild the country that was mangled by (the COMPLETELY out of touch with reality) Bushy junior and his regime..........an embarrassment by the truest sense of the word.

The bonus; Bill Clinton will be the "First Gentleman". In this position, he can be quite influential to public policy.

 

[Timebuilder]

You must mean by "rebuild the country" that you would like a more socialist, "one world" kind of country. It's available right now.

It's called France. I understand that Alec Baldwin is willing to travel with you.