You can’t fix stupid

[Dirty Squirrel]

LOL.. The dumbest post I've seen in a while. And that's saying a lot! You aren't the sharpest tool in the shed, are ya boy?
And FWIW, I voted for Trump. And I'm smart enough to see that you ain't.

Since I’m not the “sharpest tool” and you seem to be the smartest guy on this thread, how do you propose we move forward? Say something intelligent. Everyone is waiting for your wisdom.

 

[Imissmypilot]

Since I’m not the “sharpest tool” and you seem to be the smartest guy on this thread, how do you propose we move forward? Say something intelligent. Everyone is waiting for your wisdom.

Well you missed the boat on identifying the smartest dude on the thread so I'll correct your mistake and answer.

The fact is the majority has spoken. That should be honored and they should get the right to live under the consequences of that voice. The good news for them is it will be a slow roll out. The bad news is it is guaranteed to eventually be catastrophic for 80% of the family.

So for 451 pilots life will suck as a trapped employee or you will have to move on. It flabbergasts me Kenn Ricci himself has told you there is only room for 90 pilots in his courts of FoKs but 318 of you actually believed you'd be one of them. I'm not speculating. He has been 100% transparent about it but for some reason his charisma fooled you into believing you had a shot.

The smartest way for you to move on will be to gracefully allow for the reentry or exit of those who were key factors in the union. Kenn is a smart man who knows PR like the back of his hand. I expect he will make some managamous gesture to that end. He doesn't have to - the new employment contracts will assure their sterility - but he probably will. I don't know what form it will take but it will happen. Maybe a VSP type deal, maybe some unexpected offers of leadership-esque roles to the more impressive of the lot who knows. He will have to realize at some point some of those individuals had the power to give him a run for his money and he should capitalize on those leadership skills.

On that same hand I also expect some fallout from the Truck picture. A scapegoat to show disrespect toward each other will not be tolerated. He would win a large section of detractors over to give him a shot and rightfully so. It would actually give him enormous street cred among the 220 and now that he can legally expend one of you for the greater good, he should.

If I were still at Flexjet I'd be vocally expressing support for him to do right by those 220. That's how you move on and that's how he comes out looking like Cleveland Jesus.

However I don't expect the majority of you guys to see it. You didn't want to do the smart thing and give solidarity to your Union so I expect there won't be much effort to putting together any solidarity for anything, including support for the smart move.

 

[DirtyBeech]

“Cleveland Jesus”

Lol

You have to give him credit. He’s perfected his Saint Ricci of the Rustbelt routine.

He’s also very good at the other 80% of his dog and poney show. The portion his supplicants are really hoping he doesn’t repeat. For the 4th time.

A friend and decerters recently told me “....I think we can control him a bit.” The naiveté was astounding, but some people have to learn the hard way. And they will.

 

[squawk]

Well you missed the boat on identifying the smartest dude on the thread so I'll correct your mistake and answer.

The fact is the majority has spoken. That should be honored and they should get the right to live under the consequences of that voice. The good news for them is it will be a slow roll out. The bad news is it is guaranteed to eventually be catastrophic for 80% of the family.

So for 451 pilots life will suck as a trapped employee or you will have to move on. It flabbergasts me Kenn Ricci himself has told you there is only room for 90 pilots in his courts of FoKs but 318 of you actually believed you'd be one of them. I'm not speculating. He has been 100% transparent about it but for some reason his charisma fooled you into believing you had a shot.

The smartest way for you to move on will be to gracefully allow for the reentry or exit of those who were key factors in the union. Kenn is a smart man who knows PR like the back of his hand. I expect he will make some managamous gesture to that end. He doesn't have to - the new employment contracts will assure their sterility - but he probably will. I don't know what form it will take but it will happen. Maybe a VSP type deal, maybe some unexpected offers of leadership-esque roles to the more impressive of the lot who knows. He will have to realize at some point some of those individuals had the power to give him a run for his money and he should capitalize on those leadership skills.

On that same hand I also expect some fallout from the Truck picture. A scapegoat to show disrespect toward each other will not be tolerated. He would win a large section of detractors over to give him a shot and rightfully so. It would actually give him enormous street cred among the 220 and now that he can legally expend one of you for the greater good, he should.

If I were still at Flexjet I'd be vocally expressing support for him to do right by those 220. That's how you move on and that's how he comes out looking like Cleveland Jesus.

However I don't expect the majority of you guys to see it. You didn't want to do the smart thing and give solidarity to your Union so I expect there won't be much effort to putting together any solidarity for anything, including support for the smart move.

So, you are not employed at Flexjet. Why all the sanctimonious virtue signaling? You have got no real business sticking your nose into this.
Why do you feel so compelled to lecture us? Can you please move on? You have no investment here.

 

[Imissmypilot]

So, you are not employed at Flexjet. Why all the sanctimonious virtue signaling? You have got no real business sticking your nose into this.
Why do you feel so compelled to lecture us? Can you please move on? You have no investment here.

Man you just insist on digging your hole deeper and deeper. You could have kept quiet, skated barely under the radar except for the few who know what you really did but you insist on creating a pariah of yourself with a little less than half of your pilot's group and in a few months half of your side of the decert when the ****storm rises.

I didn't realize it was sanctimonious to care about good colleagues left behind. I didn't realize it was sanctimonious to care about an industry you have now threatened with your foolishness. Less than 12 hours after you fools did yourselves in the first shot across the bow was taken to NJASAP. You think that's coincidental?

Forget the awesome SHS. You're an actual feckless ****. I was advocating peace for you guys but you want to keep ramping up the gloating, obnoxious division. Don't worry squawk. With all your potatoes and no meat you are sure to be one of Ricci's prized 20%. It's the other 80% who are going to have to figure out what to do.

Tick Tock, squawk. I'll forever enjoy knowing there will never be a true moment of peace for you because all it takes is a call to the FAA to bring your comeuppance. You should be careful who you continue to piss off. Like I said, you're lucky they prefer the high road.

 

[DirtyBeech]

Everyone who moved on had a minimum of 11 years invested “here”.

The fact that we escaped your dreamy little sweat shop neither makes our opinions invalid or does it mean we have no vested interest in the company. We sunk plenty of time and effort into FJ, have friends who are still there and had to give up a minimum of 11 years of seniority so as not to live on our knees before 2NN.

You’re kinda terrible at actually arguing points, or keeping your story straight. Mainly you come here to tell others what they’re not. Or to threaten them with a belly bump I guess as a buffet line is about the only thing you’d intimidate.

So here we are. Slapping down your half truths. They’re so easy to spot, because God knows you never paid a dime of dues, opened a union email, educated yourself on union versus company proposals or even bothered to figure out how the process actually works as evidenced by your assertions that Flex narrowly fended off the the Teamsters before.

I look forward to seeing your ilk dragging a$$ into the airport terminal after a 7-9 day trip full of 10 and 24’s, aircraft swaps, crappy hotels and rolling rest. You’ll have earned it. Now scurry along. I’m sure you’ve got some porn to view on your company phone and WiFi enroute somewhere.

 

[squawk]

Everyone who moved on had a minimum of 11 years invested “here”.

The fact that we escaped your dreamy little sweat shop neither makes our opinions invalid or does it mean we have no vested interest in the company. We sunk plenty of time and effort into FJ, have friends who are still there and had to give up a minimum of 11 years of seniority so as not to live on our knees before 2NN.

You’re kinda terrible at actually arguing points, or keeping your story straight. Mainly you come here to tell others what they’re not. Or to threaten them with a belly bump I guess as a buffet line is about the only thing you’d intimidate.

So here we are. Slapping down your half truths. They’re so easy to spot, because God knows you never paid a dime of dues, opened a union email, educated yourself on union versus company proposals or even bothered to figure out how the process actually works as evidenced by your assertions that Flex narrowly fended off the the Teamsters before.

I look forward to seeing your ilk dragging a$$ into the airport terminal after a 7-9 day trip full of 10 and 24’s, aircraft swaps, crappy hotels and rolling rest. You’ll have earned it. Now scurry along. I’m sure you’ve got some porn to view on your company phone and WiFi enroute somewhere.

Just pure strangeness.

 

[Golden Falcon]

those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.......

 

[AeroBoy]

Just curious: given the great job market for pilots, how many of the 220 have already left or are seriously considering leaving?

 

[bafanguy]

Just curious: given the great job market for pilots, how many of the 220 have already left or are seriously considering leaving?

Good question. If things are so great for pilot employment, why is any unhappy, abused pilot staying in place ? The same question can be asked all around the world.

 

[DirtyBeech]

Good question. If things are so great for pilot employment, why is any unhappy, abused pilot staying in place ? The same question can be asked all around the world.

I would challenge you to see how long it takes to get an interview invite after putting your stuff in, networking, attending job fairs and meet and greets and have all the nice stuff on your resume to boot.

I know numerous FJ pilots making every effort to leave that are at the mercy of the vagaries of pilot candidate selection, and stuck in place.

 

[EnFuego]

Good question. If things are so great for pilot employment, why is any unhappy, abused pilot staying in place ? The same question can be asked all around the world.

It still takes time to switch jobs. I know six pilots who have class dates. I've got a couple interviews upcoming and I know at least twenty more who have resumes out and interviews pending. I'm not a big network type, so I'm thinking there are at least double that number who I don't talk to who are trying to move on. Ahand there are more who are over 60 who are not leaving, but will retire if it gets worse than it is.

 

[bafanguy]

It still takes time to switch jobs.

Understand. I hope you guys get away from the unacceptable circumstances.

 

[I'mBack]

#Fakenews. I'm a new hire at FJ and can tell you that I plan to stay. Thanks to KR I'm also better paid than my counterparts at NJ. NJASAP should be scared.

 

[DirtyBeech]

The first rule of trolling is to not suck at it.