Ygbsm!

[Geigo]

Last night while at the airport someone was telling me that a local pilot was approved as "backup" SIC in a G-IV. Now get this he has somewhere around 1,000TT & 400 muti. From a Seneca to a Gulfstream! Now, this was second hand info but could this be true? How much more would the premium be to add this low time guy?

And all I get is to be sic on my CJ you need 500 Jet PIC! I guess it's who you know and if they're willing to deal with insurance.

 

[skyking1976]

Could be self insured?

 

[mainah]

Could be true, didn't Coke have some real low timers in the right seat of the G rides?

 

[mike1mc]

Some of the larger corporate flight departments have been known to hire their "interns". I know that Texaco had a program like this before they merged with Chevron. Also, look in this months issue of Professional Pilot. The story on United Technologies has a guy who flies the Hawker 1000 right seat with only 500 hrs. Sweet deal, but then again you miss out on on the BS that goes along with climbing the ladder.

 

[GVFlyer]

Aviation Cadet Programs

Don Baldwin is the former Aviation Director for Texico and the present Aviation Director for Coke. Coincidence?

 

[Geigo]

The comment was the SIC didn't think the insurance company would insure him, but as long as he went to school they would. I guess he's buddies with the chief pilot...so that was his in. Must be rough! But I hate to think about how he deals with finding the right button to push for the avionics if he doesn't fly much! Big step up from a Garmin 100 GPS

 

[mobie]

Could it be that a "back-up SIC" might just be the 3rd pilot for the long haul trips and not even a be take off /landing pilot, just cruise seat pilot. If that is the case good on him and a great chance to learn. Mobie

 

[Geigo]

Could be mobie, I'll see if I can find him this weekend and get the real story straight from the horse's mouth.

Have a happy Thanksgiving!

Geigo

 

[P3 Tweek]

Low timers

Pvt. Joker! 4212 - Basic Military Journalism. You've gotta be shxxxing me, Joker! You're not a writer - you're a killer!

I've checked out many SIC's - some with high time and some with low. Experience is the only real major difference between them.
Two of my best SIC's (now gone to greener pastures) were very low time (1000 - 2000TT) with NO turbine time when I checked them out in a CE-550. They took to flying our Citation immediately. One fellow is now an ATA B-737-800 FO and was formerly a B-757 Captain with National. The other is an actively flying 135 chief pilot and is captain qualified on the CE-500, CE-525, G-IV, HS-25. He occassionally hires me to fill in on weekends for their CE-560. I checked these guys out only 5 to 6 years ago! Both had NO prior turbine experience!
Some of the `experienced' guys I've checked can't hit their butts with both hands.
Ability is a very individual quality of motivation and desire to be good and learn - that makes the difference.
You guys need to be in the right place at the right time which has some luck or chance as a factor. Also, you need to get to know key people (network in your chosen area). Don't be a pain in their rear but let them know your interested and motivated. Insurance stipulations are still NOT too stringent with the non-Type Rating required A/C like the King Air 200/100/90's, Turbo Commanders, Cheyenne's, etc. If you can get some seat time in those with your Comm AMEL tickets and you are the driver you can get some good PIC time that way and get some valuable experience to boot.
With type rated crew required aircraft, 500 PIC AMEL (doesn't matter what kind) seems to be the `magic' number for SIC's or a type rating with total time not nearly as significant.
Geigo, it will be interesting to see what you find when talking to this person.
Take care all and Godspeed in your quests! Patience!!!!!!

Gotta LUV it!

 

[LAZYB]

ATA 737 FO sounds like PS

 

[Geigo]

Well I finally got a chance to talk to this guy. Like you said, it’s who you know. Turns out the mechanic was a little off on what he told me. In addition to the 400 PA-34 time he also has a couple hundred from the old jet. (don’t know what it was). Also, the chief pilot is his best friend and has carte blanche as far as the flight department goes. When I asked him about how he was able to deal with insurance he commented that “I know it seams unfair that someone as talented and hard working as you can’t get a break and someone like me in essence lucks out”. By the way he isn’t a full time professional pilot, he either runs or owns a business and uses the Seneca occasionally for trips. If the full time SIC is sick or whatever he would fill in.

Don’t take me wrong, I’m not trying to detract from his abilities, but it’s frustrating. I’ve always worked so hard and always tried to help others out, but just can’t seem to get a break. Been promised turbine experience three times now and never materialized. Want to take a chance with another low time SIC Tweek?

His Seneca goes in for an annual Monday and if the mechanic doesn't take several months to do the annual again I can go up with him to give some dual. In the mean time I’ve been thinking about taking an accounting job with someone that I’ve been trying to get on with for the last two years. Don’t know if it will work out, but I’ve got to do something to pay the bills.

Thanks guys, have a good weekend!

 

[AA717driver]

P3 Tweek is right. I got a couple of plum jobs when I had really low time and was in the right place. I busted my butt and did ok.

Now that I'm experienced, I've been looking for my a$$ for two weeks now but I refuse to use both hands.... That would be beneath someone of my experience! TC

 

[rettofly]

Could it be that a "back-up SIC" might just be the 3rd pilot for the long haul trips and not even a be take off /landing pilot, just cruise seat pilot. If that is the case good on him and a great chance to learn. Mobie

Isn't the 3rd stick supposed to be PIC qualified-- or is that a
Part 121 requirement for legs over 8 hrs?