Yet ANOTHER reason our FFDO's need conceal carry!

[Lake Alice]

Specific processes and procedures do not need to be discussed. In the end if you sign up to carry a gun under the FFDO program they tell you don't put it down and don't let it out of your sight. All you have to do is follow directions.

The program didn't set anyone up to fail. If you are too stupid to follow directions quit. Get gun, carry gun, don't put gun down, don't lose gun. Common sense people, common sense.

 

[Headfake14]

I agree with the idea of full time CC. BUT...that requires a lot more training. Probably at least another week's worth.

...gotta be able to defend against someone trying to get that thing off of ya.

 

[Caveman]

The net result of the FFDO carry policy is most of the FFDOs I fly with never take the weapon out of the NDB. They have the weapon with them but they just don't bother. I can't say I blame them. The policy is ridiculous. No other LEO has to put up with Barney Fife rules. The people that never wanted to arm pilots won because, in effect, pilots aren't armed. They might as well put them in checked baggage.

OTOH, any other LEO with a piece of paper from his Chief can carry a concealed weapon on the plane while the guy responsible for the overall security of the a/c can't. Yeah, that makes sense.

 

[ultrarunner]

The net result of the FFDO carry policy is most of the FFDOs I fly with never take the weapon out of the NDB.....

Given how the program is structured, or NOT-structured as the case may be, that's not a bad idea.

On a typical 1-day, 3-leg trip, an FFDO is going to pack and unpack the NDB along with the weapon, trigger guard, and holster a total of 6 times or so. Multiply that by a 3-day or 4-day, and you get some pretty impressive numbers in handling that weapon. It's a wonder we're not reading more about AD's, as the chances only increase with the number of times you handle that loaded firearm.

 

[Caveman]

Given how the program is structured, or NOT-structured as the case may be, that's not a bad idea.

On a typical 1-day, 3-leg trip, an FFDO is going to pack and unpack the NDB along with the weapon, trigger guard, and holster a total of 6 times or so. Multiply that by a 3-day or 4-day, and you get some pretty impressive numbers in handling that weapon. It's a wonder we're not reading more about AD's, as the chances only increase with the number of times you handle that loaded firearm.

100% correct and that's my beef. Besides being onerous the policy/procedure is unsafe. If you increase the number of opportunities for error you also increase the incidence of error. Less manipulation will equal less opportunities for error and by default less errors. Not to mention it's difficult to have your weapon stolen when it's physically attached to your person.

 

[ultrarunner]

This is exactly what happens Caveman when an "organization" (insert your own 4 letters) wants something so bad, they're willing to settle for a half-assed implementation. So now, you've got a firearm sitting in the flight deck in a box that is 1. Locked, 2. Unloaded, and 3. Not able to be used quickly.

Again, which defeats the entire purpose of being able to defend yourself quickly and efficiently. Which is the entire reason you brought the friggin firearm to work in the first place!!!!


HELLOOOOO....Mcfly!!! ANYBODY IN THERE......

 

[slackass]

I've carried a weapon my entire adult life. Mostly related to another occupation. Never did I misplace it. Now my primary responsibility is safe operation of the aircraft. That includes preflight and planning duties. Too many distractions can lead to a misplacement or theft of the weapon. 48 of 50 states allow concealed carry with far less training than the FFDO program. This is just another example of how the politicians and bureaucrats jack up a potentially effective program.

 

[Mr Wu]

Doesn't matter if FFDO's have open carry or concealed carry. The failures in the system so far have been caused by guys not following the rules/guidelines. There will be just as many failures with open/concealed carry.