XOJET Lets 23 pilots go.

[captain007]

I am very sorry to hear about this. I wish for the best for those involved. I have friends at XO jet and wish them the best and hope everything works out well for everyone. Good Luck all!

 

[skiandsurf]

Sorry about the "terminations" at XOJet.

Are they going to replace these pilots, or is this another way to downsize?

Due to this being "merit based", is there any talks within the pilot group of unionizing, or fear of writing up broken planes? I wonder if the FAA hears about this, XOJet pilots can expect more frequent ramp checks.


And...does this still qualify them as one of the best companies to work for in the Nor Cal region? (I would think that those fired can take this to the local media and use this as an arguement to get there jobs back and to furlough using the seniority method).

 

[Semore Butts]

I'm not going to go into a bunch of rhetoric about this or that.

But as someone who has lost a job at Christmas time.

I'm very sincerely sorry for those affected. In fact, It affets us all.

Good luck to you and hopefully you will be put on an even better path soon.

Semore

 

[brokeflyer]

Ya think managemnt would show some heart and AT LEAST wait until after xmas.....just shows how spinless mangement is.

 

[Flex-ible]

Terminated huh? They may have recall rights but if they were terminated, that is a lot different from a layoff. This probably has pretty strong potential for a class action lawsuit unless the company offered up severance packages with releases attached to those packages.

Hope all goes well in the future for those 23 pilots.

Mr. I.

I too hope that the market recovers quickly so these 23, together with the 104 from Flight Options and God-knows how many from the airlines can get jobs...but....

since XO Jet is a non-union employer working in an "at will" state, the terminated employees don't have a cause for action against them unless they fired all the pilots over 65, or the minority pilots, or the female pilots, etc. From a management perspective, it is cheaper and easier to terminate rather than put employees into some type of temporary layoff.

When Flexjet had cutbacks earlier in the decade, they too terminated the pilots they didn't need. When the market recovered, most - but not all - of the terminated pilots were offered new positions. They were given new hire dates (no credit for prior service), signed new training contracts, etc. It was the cost of getting their jobs back.

 

[brokeflyer]

Why did the union allow this????


oh wait.......nevermind.

this is meant to head off b19's "union's fault" campaign.

 

[B19 Flyer]

this is meant to head off b19's "union's fault" campaign.

broke, being laid off isn't any fun for anybody.. been there, done that for reasons that I've mentioned ad nauseum. They key here is the survivability of the entire company.

You seem to think that management is in some back room sitting on a pile of cash wringing their hands together like Scrooge. They don't want to lay off anybody at any time of year. They didn't pick Christmas as the "optimum" time of year for layoffs. It just worked out that way. Christmas happens at the end of the year, and the calender doesn't stop for anybody. Bills need to be paid and the need to look out into the future is always there.

The key here is to how to make the company survive the downturn in the economy, because everybody loses if it doesn't. As miserable as it is for the pilots that were laid off, all the other employees are taking the hit also. If the company survives all of this (many companies are closing their doors) it will be because somebody made choices others didn't want to make. The key in this economy is how fast those changes can be made.

 

[brokeflyer]

we can play these games until i wear out my keyboard. I hate what management does and you hate what unions do.

I just sumed up ALL these threads with that last sentance.......move on.

 

[Publishers]

It is not uncommon in the business world to not have any furlough or layoff program at all. Employees are terminated and can get unemployment benefits. It is up to the company whether to rehire but most do unless the period of time is a long one.
The general distaste for management on these boards belies the fact that most managers I know do not want to shrink the company, do not want to lay off, terminate, or punish employees. They want to grow the business. 9/11 killed one of my companies, took away our revenue stream, people terminated. Right now, this business is shrinking and people will be let go. It is the nature of the moment not some management conspiracy.

 

[bravodude]

broke, being laid off isn't any fun for anybody.. been there, done that for reasons that I've mentioned ad nauseum. They key here is the survivability of the entire company.

You seem to think that management is in some back room sitting on a pile of cash wringing their hands together like Scrooge. They don't want to lay off anybody at any time of year. They didn't pick Christmas as the "optimum" time of year for layoffs. It just worked out that way. Christmas happens at the end of the year, and the calender doesn't stop for anybody. Bills need to be paid and the need to look out into the future is always there.

The key here is to how to make the company survive the downturn in the economy, because everybody loses if it doesn't. As miserable as it is for the pilots that were laid off, all the other employees are taking the hit also. If the company survives all of this (many companies are closing their doors) it will be because somebody made choices others didn't want to make. The key in this economy is how fast those changes can be made.

You are correct however think of all the goodwill the company could have had from the pilots if they had at least postponed the terminations untill jan.

 

[m80drvr]

I tried to warn you about segal. Instead you jumped on me like I was putting Xojet down. Welcome to airline management 101. Your old mgt probably would have at least waited until after the holidays. Segal could give two sh*ts about your family.

Segal is a scumbag.......you were warned. He has no compassion.



That being said, My heart goes out to the furloughed pilots. This time it's number three for me. The second one within two months of Christmas. Keep your chins up and remember to take care of your family, don't take it out on your family.

Again....good luck

 

[FR8DOG777]

You guys need to unionize yesterday

The ibt 1108 is like a condom, it protects us from getting aids<mickey schreenga, david m seigal,it also protects us against genital warts>Sonjay, and it also protects us against Herpes>Bob Tyler and Bob19. Sure we would like to have unprotected sex with a monogomous partner, but these days you can't be too carefull. So the question you guys and gals need to ask yourself is 1.56% of your salary to protect your job better than 100% unemployment. Don't mean to rain on your parade but the tyrants running these companies have no ethics or morals. Heres to safe sex in 2009 and hopefully a short lived downturn.

 

[Publishers]

"The economy shed 533,000 jobs in November, according to a government report Friday - bringing the year's total job losses to 1.9 million.
November had the largest monthly job loss total since December 1974. "
Now do you really think that anything is going to protect you from this kind of economic meltdown or that XO management can do anything about stopping the trend?

 

[GSXR600]

"The economy shed 533,000 jobs in November, according to a government report Friday - bringing the year's total job losses to 1.9 million.
November had the largest monthly job loss total since December 1974. "
Now do you really think that anything is going to protect you from this kind of economic meltdown or that XO management can do anything about stopping the trend?

No one can be saved from this economic disaster left from this white house administration …………………
HERE COMES SHOE.......................!!!!!

 

[Hogprint]

Thoughts and prayers go out to all affected.

As hard as it is remember this...when one door closes another opens...

Keep the faith.

 

[thunderworm]

Thoughts and prayers go out to all affected.

As hard as it is remember this...when one door closes another opens...

Keep the faith.

too bad i can't seem to find the hundred of doors that are supposed to be open. i wish that having faith was all it took.

 

[B19 Flyer]

You are correct however think of all the goodwill the company could have had from the pilots if they had at least postponed the terminations untill jan.

"Goodwill" doesn't pay the bills and isn't a word that is ever used by a union. After spending as many years as I have in management, I can tell you that there wasn't a single person that wanted to lay off those folks before the end of the year. But you can't keep on tens of thousands of dollars on the books simply for "goodwill" and let the rest of the company suffer. I feel for those guys to and can personally empathize in their misfortune. If you weren't in the room where the decision was made and wasn't part of the actual process, you can't understand what the emotion was.

 

[Pervis]

"Goodwill" doesn't pay the bills and isn't a word that is ever used by a union. After spending as many years as I have in management, I can tell you that there wasn't a single person that wanted to lay off those folks before the end of the year. But you can't keep on tens of thousands of dollars on the books simply for "goodwill" and let the rest of the company suffer. I feel for those guys to and can personally empathize in their misfortune. If you weren't in the room where the decision was made and wasn't part of the actual process, you can't understand what the emotion was.

In another thread you said 'what's 12 million for a CEO of a billion dollar company?' I believe you called it peanuts. But tens of thousands for a number of soon to be unemployed people is money the company can't afford? This is the biggest single indicator of your management bias that I have seen to date. It must be a long way down from your nose to the little people.

 

[Semore Butts]

Oh yeah, I can just hear it!

B-19 said;

If you weren't in the room where the decision was made and wasn't part of the actual process, you can't understand what the emotion was.



I can just picture B-19 saying;

It's either cut management bonus or furlough pilots!

Oh, this is so emotional! Furlough!

We are so much smarter then they are.

Ok, who's for doin lunch?

Lets "order in" the weather is so bad, those worthless pilots must be catching hell out there.

They don't know what management pressure is!

They think dropping a load of ordinance over Bagdad is hard!

Now management! That takes brains and skill and cool nerves.

Any idiot can fly goggles, drop bombs, night freight, and multiple aproaches to minimums in bad weather.

Now management! That takes guts!

So what do guys think? Pizza?

 

[Mr. Irrelevant]

"Goodwill" doesn't pay the bills and isn't a word that is ever used by a union. After spending as many years as I have in management, I can tell you that there wasn't a single person that wanted to lay off those folks before the end of the year. But you can't keep on tens of thousands of dollars on the books simply for "goodwill" and let the rest of the company suffer. I feel for those guys to and can personally empathize in their misfortune. If you weren't in the room where the decision was made and wasn't part of the actual process, you can't understand what the emotion was.

I think you make some good points but your syntax is so poor, I would guess you were either drinking at the time of ths post or it is a sad reflection of the management skills I've seen across the aviation industry in general. Happy Holidays!

Mr. I.